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El Correcto
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El Correcto
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Yes no reason at all, Iran is a good boy dindu nuffin. Smh.
BrownArmy
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Didn’t hear me say that, did you?
What I said was War with Iran would be a magnitude different than War with Iraq.
There are other options.
newfie
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Chernobyl was an uncontrolled attack. We don't have to melt the reactors. We can simply take out the section where the control panels and scientist sit and disable their ability to deploy and develop.
I'm happy to see that was the only part of my post you disagreed with.
The argument against a response to Iran's aggression is the extreme one of a full fledged war. Iran likes to rear up like Joe badass every now and then . A few airstrikes will shut them up.
Hahaha. Newf you know damn well that precision guided weapons are not that precise. And besides even if you can knock out the control room how are you going to continue to CONTROL the reactor? How are you going to STOP a meltdown when everything and everybody in the room is dead or destroyed?
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
We can only hope.
El Correcto
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What options would you like to see. Appeasement? Reinstate the Iran deal?
Sportello
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Spending all your time here. since r/frens got the ax?
BrownArmy
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Seems to me the Iran Deal was working just fine.
As far as other options, any that don’t include War. All out War would drag in all the proxies and it would be WWII.5.
We simply don’t need to go there.
Do you think Israel and Saudi Arabia would back us up?
Not clear to me why you’re such a hawk.
LarryBird
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War with Iran would be a mess. Nobody with half a brain in our political or intelligence agency braintrust wants this. If people think that Afghanistan or Iraq were difficult wars with a determined resistance and unforgiving territory, they should take a glimpse at the size of the population and topography of Iran. Not pretty.
You wanna talk about a hardened target? - Then consider Iran is
ing titanium compared with Afghanistan's iron and Iraq's copper. We would lose this war, not by lack of technology and military superiority, but by attrition. They would simply outlast us, and make the costs of the loss of life too high for us to bear, in comparison with our reward for staying the course until victory.This has been the strategy for fighting the US since Korea, and it hasn't failed any of our adversaries yet. We will quit or capitulate before the job is done. Our leaders will cave to political pressure at home, and we will leave a bigger problem than we had to start, and have galvanized another couple generations of terrorists and hatred of Americans. That's just what we do - like it or not.
We have become a country who thinks we can dictate our terms to the world with the threats of aggression and war, but one with a population and leardership who have no tastes for the hard sacrifices and difficult truths it takes to actually win one.
Everyone here is far too comfortable and self-interested to actually join in and engage in war, even if they actually agreed with the cause, which the majority will not, short of our home soil being invaded.
We were attacked on 9/11, and while everyone talked a big game, people were angry, and the country was united - there wasn't long lines down at the recruitment centers to 'get some', as they say in the military. The only way we're ever gonna see the same level sacrifice the greatest generation made in WWII, which is what it takes, is if there's enemy boots on the ground here - and that's not happening. Period. Meaning we're never gonna truly win another war again, in my opinion, and those of our pragmatic military minds.
So stop being so hawkish on matters of war, unless you're ready to lace 'em up, and scream 'oorah!' as you face down the enemy with your M4 rifle several thousand miles from your couch. Otherwise, let's try to exhaust all diplomacy options, and come to a deal at the negotiating table first. Aight?
El Correcto
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The Iran deal wasn’t working, they were sponsoring terror, attacking allies and expanding their regional interests. All we did was hand billions to a rogue government we were promised was moderate. They are not.
El Correcto
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I’ve never been there, I like mma on reddit.
Okay chamberlain, I read the last paragraph. Seriously you and your novels.War with Iran would be a mess. Nobody with half a brain in our political or intelligence agency braintrust wants this. If people think that Afghanistan or Iraq were difficult wars with a determined resistance and unforgiving territory, they should take a glimpse at the size of the population and topography of Iran. Not pretty.
You wanna talk about a hardened target? - Then consider Iran is
This has been the strategy for fighting the US since Korea, and it hasn't failed any of our adversaries yet. We will quit or capitulate before the job is done. Our leaders will cave to political pressure at home, and we will leave a bigger problem than we had to start, and have galvanized another couple generations of terrorists and hatred of Americans. That's just what we do - like it or not.
We have become a country who thinks we can dictate our terms to the world with the threats of aggression and war, but one with a population and leardership who have no tastes for the hard sacrifices and difficult truths it takes to actually win one.
Everyone here is far too comfortable and self-interested to actually join in and engage in war, even if they actually agreed with the cause, which the majority will not, short of our home soil being invaded.
We were attacked on 9/11, and while everyone talked a big game, people were angry, and the country was united - there wasn't long lines down at the recruitment centers to 'get some', as they say in the military. The only way we're ever gonna see the same level sacrifice the greatest generation made in WWII, which is what it takes, is if there's enemy boots on the ground here - and that's not happening. Period. Meaning we're never gonna truly win another war again, in my opinion, and those of our pragmatic military minds.
So stop being so hawkish on matters of war, unless you're ready to lace 'em up, and scream 'oorah!' as you face down the enemy with your M4 rifle several thousand miles from your couch. Otherwise, let's try to exhaust all diplomacy options, and come to a deal at the negotiating table first. Aight?
El Correcto
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@LarryBird
I skimmed through a bit more of your Iran novel. Quit making up, you just vomit bull all over this forum. Repetitive analogies instead of hard facts.
I skimmed through a bit more of your Iran novel. Quit making
up, you just vomit bull all over this forum. Repetitive analogies instead of hard facts.
El Correcto
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We out spend the entire Middle East by a factor of 10 when it comes to military. We don’t need allies in a war, their investments will go up in smoke in a matter of weeks. We could destroy Iran without even putting boots on the ground and we should.
LarryBird
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By all accounts, except for DT's usual failed logic, and twisted truths, it was working, and Iran was abiding by the terms of the deal.
Our intelligence community, and those of our allies, in addition to the nuclear regulators have all said they were in compliance.
The Iran nuclear deal had absolutely nothing to do with anything you're talking about in that post - it was about enrichment, reduced stockpiles, inspection and transparency, and our lifting of nuclear related sanctions.
Expansion of their regional interests, ability to supply and receive conventional weapons, and their policy towards the US and the west was of no consequence to this agreement.
Their support of hezbollah and aggression toward Israel and whomever else, is a separate issue, and shouldn't be confused with the matter at hand. Take it one step at a time, and the nuclear deal was a step in the right direction. The other problems we face in our relationship with Iran can be negotiated and dealt with outside the framework of that agreement, and should not be considered a reason to walk away from a deal that was considered a success by the International community as a whole, and made the middle east and the world in general, a safer and more stable place.
BrownArmy
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Maybe, if we nuked them.
Is that what you're proposing?
Otherwise, you're not only Wrong, you're dead-wrong.
Why is it always the most-Hawkish who refuse to learn from history?
El Correcto
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It shouldn’t be off the table. A 150 dead marines deserve all options on the table. I’d like to see another MOAB dropped on their nuclear facilities.
DriveInDriѵeOut
Inordinately Right
You're underestimating the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics. We don't need to be involved in that ancient
hole at all.
BrownArmy
Well-Known Member
It’s not that simple.
How old were you when we invaded Afghanistan after 9-11?
And then Iraq?
Iraq was going to be a cakewalk, the populace would throw flowers on the US liberators, troops would be home before Easter, or whatever.
No, no, and definitely no.
A decade plus, we’re still involved.
Iran isn’t Iraq.
Europe won’t go with us on War with Iran.
It would become a proxy-fight with Russia, one that would last another generation.
I’d say you haven’t thought this through, but it’s clear you don’t have enough knowledge to properly think this through in the first case.
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