Iran

[LarryBird]

@LarryBird
I skimmed through a bit more of your Iran novel. Quit making up, you just vomit bull all over this forum. Repetitive analogies instead of hard facts.

There's nothing made up in that entire post. If you'd like to read the opinions of military strategists regarding Iran, I'd be more than happy to direct you to some.

I do not bull or make anything up here - also that post is my opinion, granted an opinion that came about from my familiarity with the hard facts, but still an opinion.

Please list anything you'd like to dispute, and I'll glady post the hard data to eviscerate your debate with the quickness.

Are you going to try argue the fact that Iran has a far larger population than Afghanistan or Iraq?

Are you going to try to argue that Iran doesn’t have a harsh topography that would make for an extremely hard target - huge mountains/deserts/large urban centers...a far larger, more capable, and advanced military than those we encountered in Afghanistan or Iraq?

Are you going to try to argue that Iran doesn't have an advanced air defense system?

Are you going to argue that we haven't been outlasted or left every war we've been involved in post ww2 before we achieved our goals or total victory?

That our military has trouble attracting recruits?

That people love to talk about how we should go to war but don't sign up or send their kids?

Please, by all means, point out in that post where I was wrong in any way?

I'd welcome your argument.

 

[LarryBird]

We out spend the entire Middle East by a factor of 10 when it comes to military. We don’t need allies in a war, their investments will go up in smoke in a matter of weeks. We could destroy Iran without even putting boots on the ground and we should.

What has our vast military spending done for us lately?

We lose wars or get outlasted as far as I've seen.

We are good at bombing the out of people, yes. But that doesn't win wars, and that creates and unites future enemies. Period.

Lastly, we aren't the type of country to totally eviscerate a nation, and purposely take out a whole civilian population, and I'm glad we're not. I don't want to live in a country of psychopaths whose military murders innocent civilians...maybe you do.

 

[LarryBird]

It’s not that simple.

How old were you when we invaded Afghanistan after 9-11?

And then Iraq?

Iraq was going to be a cakewalk, the populace would throw flowers on the US liberators, troops would be home before Easter, or whatever.

No, no, and definitely no.

A decade plus, we’re still involved.

Iran isn’t Iraq.

Europe won’t go with us on War with Iran.

It would become a proxy-fight with Russia, one that would last another generation.

I’d say you haven’t thought this through, but it’s clear you don’t have enough knowledge to properly think this through in the first case.

He's a simple fool.

I cannot wait until he tries to debate my post, if he even does.

He apparently has no idea of the realities of a war with Iran, yet pretended he did when attempting to critique my original post.

He's just another war monger who would never enter the fray himself. The most pathetic kind.

 

[LarryBird]

It shouldn’t be off the table. A 150 dead marines deserve all options on the table. I’d like to see another MOAB dropped on their nuclear facilities.

The nuclear option is off the table forever, outside of a response to a nuclear attack on our own country.

Be ing serious.

Do you have any idea what kind of can of worms launching a nuke would open up?

 

[BrownArmy]

The nuclear option is off the table forever, outside of a response to a nuclear attack on our own country.

Be ing serious.

Do you have any idea what kind of can of worms launching a nuke would open up?

He doesn’t care.

 

[LarryBird]

It’s not that simple.

How old were you when we invaded Afghanistan after 9-11?

And then Iraq?

Iraq was going to be a cakewalk, the populace would throw flowers on the US liberators, troops would be home before Easter, or whatever.

No, no, and definitely no.

A decade plus, we’re still involved.

Iran isn’t Iraq.

Europe won’t go with us on War with Iran.

It would become a proxy-fight with Russia, one that would last another generation.

I’d say you haven’t thought this through, but it’s clear you don’t have enough knowledge to properly think this through in the first case.

You know what's actually most annoying about his lack of understanding here?

He's actually seems to be an intelligent person, which means he's just ignoring the facts, or has chosen not to look into the consequences of a war with Iran.

He's not like van or some of these other half illiterate and backwards posters, so I expect better from him if he's going to get involved in a conversation. Although, I guess in retrospect, perhaps I gave him a bit more credit than he deserved looking back at his posts itt.

 

[BrownArmy]

You know what's actually most annoying about his lack of understanding here?

He's actually seems to be an intelligent person, which means he's just ignoring the facts, or has chosen not to look into the consequences of a war with Iran.

He's not like van or some of these other half illiterate and backwards posters, so I expect better from him if he's going to get involved in a conversation. Although, I guess in retrospect, perhaps I gave him a bit more credit than he deserved looking back at his posts itt.

He knows, he just doesn’t care.

 

[BrownArmy]

“We’re killing strangers so we don’t kill the ones we love...”

 

[vantexan]

You know what's actually most annoying about his lack of understanding here?

He's actually seems to be an intelligent person, which means he's just ignoring the facts, or has chosen not to look into the consequences of a war with Iran.

He's not like van or some of these other half illiterate and backwards posters, so I expect better from him if he's going to get involved in a conversation. Although, I guess in retrospect, perhaps I gave him a bit more credit than he deserved looking back at his posts itt.

I must really get under your skin. Have you figured out yet that Blacks are aborting themselves into oblivion?

 

[LarryBird]

I must really get under your skin. Have you figured out yet that Blacks are aborting themselves into oblivion?

Don't get it twisted. You don't get under my skin.

I just think you're an idiot, who has the brain function of a rabbit suffering from syphilitic insanity, you ing racist piece of moldy white dog.

There's a reason everyone here who doesn't have you on ignore already, consistently cites you as the most ignorant, dumbest poster on the board - Not because you're a conservative, and not because you are a religious zealot - because it's true.

There are plenty of posters here who are conservatives, and even more than that who are religious, yet they still garner the respect of others who don't share in their beliefs. You do not. Because you are a condescending, backwards half-wit, who is a racist, hypocritical, evangelizing maroon, stuck in some kind of 1950's Mississippi time warp, while the rest of us live here in modern day society, and even the dumbest among us dwarf your minuscule IQ.

Unfortunately for you, Roger Rabbit, the brain damage you've already entailed from syphilis is irreversible, but the good news is a lengthy course of antibiotics will prevent any further progression into madness - so I suggest you get to a doctor with the quickness. Then you should pick up a few hundred books, and a few thousand hours worth of good documentaries and lectures, and try to catch up to the level of intelligence and wisdom a man of your advanced age should've attained a long time ago.

Also be sure to refrain from the propaganda sites you've typically visited in the past during your re-education period, as this will be counterproductive to what you're trying to accomplish.

Good luck, and godspeed. I know (actually sort of think, but I digress) you can do it.

 

[LarryBird]

It's looking like @vantexan might become the first poster I've ever placed on ignore in the 25 years I've been participating on message boards - he is that ignorant and unworthy of the time it takes to read his posts.

He actually takes pride in his stupidity and refusal to keep an open mind to change and fresh knowledge, I believe. So why continue to deal with a jerk off who brings nothing of value to the table, and whose participation in conversations only serves to detract from the subject at hand?

It will be good riddance.

 

[vantexan]

Don't get it twisted. You don't get under my skin.

I just think you're an idiot, who has the brain function of a rabbit suffering from syphilitic insanity, you ing racist piece of moldy white dog.

There's a reason everyone here who doesn't have you on ignore already, consistently cites you as the most ignorant, dumbest poster on the board - Not because you're a conservative, and not because you are a religious zealot - because it's true.

There are plenty of posters here who are conservatives, and even more than that who are religious, yet they still garner the respect of others who don't share in their beliefs. You do not. Because you are a condescending, backwards half-wit, who is a racist, hypocritical, evangelizing maroon, stuck in some kind of 1950's Mississippi time warp, while the rest of us live here in modern day society, and even the dumbest among us dwarf your minuscule IQ.

Unfortunately for you, Roger Rabbit, the brain damage you've already entailed from syphilis is irreversible, but the good news is a lengthy course of antibiotics will prevent any further progression into madness - so I suggest you get to a doctor with the quickness. Then you should pick up a few hundred books, and a few thousand hours worth of good documentaries and lectures, and try to catch up to the level of intelligence and wisdom a man of your advanced age should've attained a long time ago.

Also be sure to refrain from the propaganda sites you've typically visited in the past during your re-education period, as this will be counterproductive to what you're trying to accomplish.

Good luck, and godspeed. I know (actually sort of think, but I digress) you can do it.

Yep, I really get under your skin, LOL!

 

[El Correcto]

You're underestimating the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics. We don't need to be involved in that ancient hole at all.

I’m not under estimating it, that’s why they need regime changes so often. We don’t need an Iran with warheads, those people can’t even handle a truck without murdering people.

By all accounts, except for DT's usual failed logic, and twisted truths, it was working, and Iran was abiding by the terms of the deal.

Our intelligence community, and those of our allies, in addition to the nuclear regulators have all said they were in compliance.

The Iran nuclear deal had absolutely nothing to do with anything you're talking about in that post - it was about enrichment, reduced stockpiles, inspection and transparency, and our lifting of nuclear related sanctions.

Expansion of their regional interests, ability to supply and receive conventional weapons, and their policy towards the US and the west was of no consequence to this agreement.

Their support of hezbollah and aggression toward Israel and whomever else, is a separate issue, and shouldn't be confused with the matter at hand. Take it one step at a time, and the nuclear deal was a step in the right direction. The other problems we face in our relationship with Iran can be negotiated and dealt with outside the framework of that agreement, and should not be considered a reason to walk away from a deal that was considered a success by the International community as a whole, and made the middle east and the world in general, a safer and more stable place.

Iran Breaches the Nuclear Deal and UN Resolutions for Third Time | HuffPost

Yeah no, their goal is clearly warheads and you are appeasing them.

 

[El Correcto]

And no their support of hezbollah is not a separate issue. They support terrorists and they are aiming at becoming a nuclear power. We are going to have terrorists with access to nuclear bombs.

I’m sure once they explode a dirty bomb in the US I’ll get to be liberalsplained on why the US brought it upon themselves by self hating Americans.

 

[newfie]

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[El Correcto]

Under bush we used to worry about WMDs in the hands of terrorists, it was a huge debate about whether or not Saddam had them, but it was in total agreement other than the most radical nut jobs that armed intervention was needed if he did.

We now know for a fact Iran’s goal is WMDs but now the loonies have a much larger voice on how to handle it. We chose appeasement
in the form of a sunset deal, handing over billions to them and effectively funding the terrorists operations they pursued.

 

[bacha29]

Iran is a country two and half time the size of Texas with 80 million people and a formidable military. At the same time they have surrogates located at numerous sensitive areas around the world and they would then have a good excuse to turn them loose. Not to mention closing off the strait choking off over 25% of the world's oil supply It would be a long protracted and very costly war in manpower and treasure. What accelerated our departure from Afghanistan and Iraq? We were in a recession and running out of money. A war with Iran would require the largest commitment of allied forces since WWII but could still be death by a thousand cuts similar to what we experienced in Vietnam.

 

[vantexan]

Iran is a country two and half time the size of Texas with 80 million people and a formidable military. At the same time they have surrogates located at numerous sensitive areas around the world and they would then have a good excuse to turn them loose. Not to mention closing off the strait choking off over 25% of the world's oil supply It would be a long protracted and very costly war in manpower and treasure. What accelerated our departure from Afghanistan and Iraq? We were in a recession and running out of money. A war with Iran would require the largest commitment of allied forces since WWII but could still be death by a thousand cuts similar to what we experienced in Vietnam.

You give them too much credit. Saddam fought them to a standstill. And a very large segment of their population, possibly more than half, doesn't support the mullahs at all. We would very quickly take out their air force and navy. And unlike Vietnam they don't have a jungle to hide in. I think most Iranians would prefer a secular government like Turkey's, and be known for the positive aspects of their culture, and not the fanaticism.

 

[LarryBird]

You give them too much credit. Saddam fought them to a standstill. And a very large segment of their population, possibly more than half, doesn't support the mullahs at all. We would very quickly take out their air force and navy. And unlike Vietnam they don't have a jungle to hide in. I think most Iranians would prefer a secular government like Turkey's, and be known for the positive aspects of their culture, and not the fanaticism.

They didn't do it on their own.
United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War - Wikipedia

We weren't the only ones to help them.
International aid to combatants in the Iran–Iraq War - Wikipedia

There was major world interest in helping Iraq fight that war against Iran. Not even necessarily to win the war either, but to prolong it for as long as possible, and make it costly for Iran, both in loss of life and expense. The US, UK, France, Germany, Russia, and China all supported Iraq. The rest of the middle east supplied Iraq with VAST SUMS of money - Saudi Arabia $31B, Kuwait $8B, UAE $8B - this was in the early to mid 80's too. That was a ton of money.

So your post is part disingenuous, and part @vantexan talking out of his ass conjecture, as per usual.

 

[vantexan]

They didn't do it on their own.
United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War - Wikipedia

We weren't the only ones to help them.
International aid to combatants in the Iran–Iraq War - Wikipedia

There was major world interest in helping Iraq fight that war against Iran. Not even necessarily to win the war either, but to prolong it for as long as possible, and make it costly for Iran, both in loss of life and expense. The US, UK, France, Germany, Russia, and China all supported Iraq. The rest of the middle east supplied Iraq with VAST SUMS of money - Saudi Arabia $31B, Kuwait $8B, UAE $8B - this was in the early to mid 80's too. That was a ton of money.

So your post is part disingenuous, and part @vantexan talking out of his ass conjecture, as per usual.

Doesn't change the fact Iraq fought them to a standstill. And the rest of my post is today's reality.