Iranian Leaders versus US Democrat Leaders

[Box Ox]

With oil think globally, not locally. Disruptions in oil supply would have a huge impact on Europe and Asia. Would slam financial markets. Everything is connected. By the way oil is priced in Dollars. If the U.S. didn't police the Middle East oil might get prices in Euros or something else. That would severely devalue the Dollar. They'll never let that happen if they can help it.

100% The modern global economy is too interconnected for areas like the Strait of Hormuz to be blocked off without everybody taking a pretty big hit including the US.

 

[Box Ox]

You and I have different perspectives on Trump’s motivations. I don’t believe it was strategy. Trump has said it was a decision to look tough to gain support from GOP hawks in his impeachment trial. Trump is impulsive and doesn’t see the consequences of his actions. He lives in the 24hr news cycle where Orange man kills bad guy is the end of the story. It’s not the end, just another escalation in an endless war.

Iran is now more likely to get nukes. Iraq has kicked out our forces making a resurgence of ISIS more likely. We are not safer.

Whatever Iran does, you can bet the next Qasem Soleimani won't be traveling nearly as freely and openly while Trump is President. If he wants to coordinate attacks he'd better be doing it from a basement in Tehran.

 

[It will be fine]

Whatever Iran does, you can bet the next Qasem Soleimani won't be traveling nearly as freely and openly while Trump is President. If he wants to coordinate attacks he'd better be doing it from a basement in Tehran.

So what? Perhaps there was intelligence being easily gathered with him walking free. It’s obvious we knew where he was. Why not capture and interrogate him? I honestly can’t comprehend how anyone that lived through the Iraq wars can possibly still have the simplistic worldview of “bad guy dead, everything better now.” We traded the devil we knew for an unknown. It may work out or it may not, chest thumping like an ape is why republicans can’t be trusted with national security.

 

[Fred's Myth]

Are those new boots you're quivering in?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

So what? Perhaps there was intelligence being easily gathered with him walking free. It’s obvious we knew where he was. Why not capture and interrogate him?

You have quite the imagination fren.

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

So what? Perhaps there was intelligence being easily gathered with him walking free. It’s obvious we knew where he was. Why not capture and interrogate him? I honestly can’t comprehend how anyone that lived through the Iraq wars can possibly still have the simplistic worldview of “bad guy dead, everything better now.” We traded the devil we knew for an unknown. It may work out or it may not, chest thumping like an ape is why republicans can’t be trusted with national security.

 

[MrFedEx]

With oil think globally, not locally. Disruptions in oil supply would have a huge impact on Europe and Asia. Would slam financial markets. Everything is connected. By the way oil is priced in Dollars. If the U.S. didn't police the Middle East oil might get prices in Euros or something else. That would severely devalue the Dollar. They'll never let that happen if they can help it.

For one, you said something correct. "Everything is connected". Fracked oil is way more expensive than crude oil extracted conventionally. We will always be a presence in The Middle East, no matter what Trump says.

 

[vantexan]

For one, you said something correct. "Everything is connected". Fracked oil is way more expensive than crude oil extracted conventionally. We will always be a presence in The Middle East, no matter what Trump says.

When you add in the cost of transporting oil from the Middle East fracking makes a lot more sense. Fracking is obviously economically viable or they wouldn't be doing it.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

So what? Perhaps there was intelligence being easily gathered with him walking free. It’s obvious we knew where he was. Why not capture and interrogate him? I honestly can’t comprehend how anyone that lived through the Iraq wars can possibly still have the simplistic worldview of “bad guy dead, everything better now.” We traded the devil we knew for an unknown. It may work out or it may not, chest thumping like an ape is why republicans can’t be trusted with national security.

Why do you want American diplomats to be killed?
Do you really hate Trump that much?

 

[MrFedEx]

100% The modern global economy is too interconnected for areas like the Strait of Hormuz to be blocked off without everybody taking a pretty big hit including the US.

Speaking of global economies, which Trump doesn't believe in, today's announcement that the China Tariff Deal was no deal didn't go over well on Wall Street.

Listening, vantexan? A Trump "deal" is no deal at all. Nobody can, or should, trust him.

 

[MrFedEx]

When you add in the cost of transporting oil from the Middle East fracking makes a lot more sense. Fracking is obviously economically viable or they wouldn't be doing it.

Fracking is only viable when crude prices are high. Even factoring in transportation, fracking can't compete with cheap crude.

 

[vantexan]

Fracking is only viable when crude prices are high. Even factoring in transportation, fracking can't compete with cheap crude.

Crude prices aren't high. Where have you been?

 

[vantexan]

Speaking of global economies, which Trump doesn't believe in, today's announcement that the China Tariff Deal was no deal didn't go over well on Wall Street.

Listening, vantexan? A Trump "deal" is no deal at all. Nobody can, or should, trust him.

Well that's interesting because they signed the deal and committed to buying $200 Billion of our products over the next two years including $40-$50 Billion a year in agricultural products.

 

[BrownFlush]

Speaking of global economies, which Trump doesn't believe in

Yeah he does..he just wants us to be on top of the food chain.

 

[MrFedEx]

Well that's interesting because they signed the deal and committed to buying $200 Billion of our products over the next two years including $40-$50 Billion a year in agricultural products.

Watch today's headlines? Trump is still keeping many tariffs in place.

 

[MrFedEx]

Crude prices aren't high. Where have you been?

On top of thins, as usual. Crude has to be at a relatively high price point before fracking makes sense. When crude prices dropped 2 years ago and we had sub $2 gas, a lot of fracking ceased.

The truth is we are only energy independent in a worst case scenario, which bot you and Trump fail to mention. Middle Eastern crude is still cheaper than fracked oil.

 

[MrFedEx]

Yeah he does..he just wants us to be on top of the food chain.

No, he doesn't. Trump has consistently bloviated about bringing back US jobs which will never come back, as in he believes that workers here will be making shoes, clothing, cell phones etc.

That speaks to nationalism and isolationism, not a strong belief in global economics, which Trump can't understand.

 

[Fred's Myth]

On top of thins, as usual. Crude has to be at a relatively high price point before fracking makes sense. When crude prices dropped 2 years ago and we had sub $2 gas, a lot of fracking ceased.

The truth is we are only energy independent in a worst case scenario, which bot you and Trump fail to mention. Middle Eastern crude is still cheaper than fracked oil.

You actually believe that the price of gasoline is tied to the price of a barrel of oil?

And fracking can remain profitable with oil as low as $30/bbl. WTI is currently in the $60/bbl range.

 

[vantexan]

Watch today's headlines? Trump is still keeping many tariffs in place.

That was already known. He didn't implement the Dec 15th tariffs, rolled back some others, and kept the ones he initially started with to see if the Chinese comply with the deal. If they do those come off or are reduced.

 

[vantexan]

On top of thins, as usual. Crude has to be at a relatively high price point before fracking makes sense. When crude prices dropped 2 years ago and we had sub $2 gas, a lot of fracking ceased.

The truth is we are only energy independent in a worst case scenario, which bot you and Trump fail to mention. Middle Eastern crude is still cheaper than fracked oil.

Somebody better tell the oil companies then because we are now the world's #1 producer of oil and natural gas. And are a net exporter.