wkmac
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Do the political right (republicans) and political left (democrats) fear the rise of libertarianism and for the same reasons?
Rise of the Libertarians
Rise of the Libertarians
Libertarians Are Such A Dangerous Lot!
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Interesting read. I really liked a couple of the comments that followed because they are the question I always pose: How do we get there from here?
But the author unwittingly answered this. He calls libertarian the new middle. Its just not so. The middle is already occupied by reasonable Republicans and pragmatic Democrats. They've failed miserably over the past two decades to hold sway but the same forces that have divided congressional districts to favor one party or another will chew up and spit out a third party. I hope in time the left of the Republican party and right of the Democratic party will ignore their fringes and govern effectively.
But the author unwittingly answered this. He calls libertarian the new middle. Its just not so. The middle is already occupied by reasonable Republicans and pragmatic Democrats. They've failed miserably over the past two decades to hold sway but the same forces that have divided congressional districts to favor one party or another will chew up and spit out a third party. I hope in time the left of the Republican party and right of the Democratic party will ignore their fringes and govern effectively.
av8torntn
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wkmac
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wkmac
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Karl Hess, speaking at UCLA March 1970'. Karl is historically important to 20th century libertarianism in his relationship with Murray Rothbard and among more radical libertarians, Karl is seen as a very important voice. Karl's 10 year journey from GOP platform writer in 1960' to Goldwater's chief speech writer in 1964' to outlaw anarchist/left libertarian in 1970' is an interesting journey.
wkmac
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With the root word being the latin "liber", in some sense the answer to your question is yes.
Old Man Jingles
Rat out of a cage
Seeing how there are several dozen types of Libertarianism that share the common beliefs in smaller government and greater individual responsibility, I wonder why you say there are none here?
I think I can safely say you are not a believer in Liberty!
A generalized description:
Libertarianism is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective.
As a result, libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgment.
According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, libertarians hold liberty as their primary political value. Their approach to implementing liberty involves opposing any governmental coercion, aside from that which is necessary to prevent individuals from coercing each other.
Here are a list of types of Libertarianism I copied from Wikipedia
Note: I have seen others in addition to these and I find myself aligning with Individualist Anarchism which is not in the list below but is a type of Libertarianism. The persons that started me down the path to my beliefs was Henry David Thoreau who is acknowledged as a Transcendentalist and
Immanuel Kant, whom I have never been able to categorize.
- Agorism
- Anarchism
- Anarcho-capitalism
- Austrian School
- Autarchism
- Bleeding-heart libertarianism
- Christian libertarianism
- Civil libertarianism
- Classical liberalism
- Communalism
- Consequentialist libertarianism
- Crypto-anarchism
- Deontological libertarianism
- Free-market anarchism
- Geolibertarianism
- Green libertarianism
- Individualist anarchism
- Laissez-faire
- Left-libertarianism
- Left-wing market anarchism
- Liberism
- Libertarian Christianity
- Libertarian conservatism
- Libertarian municipalism
- Libertarian socialism
- Market liberalism
- Market socialism
- Minarchism
- Mutualism
- Paleolibertarianism
- Panarchism
- Philosophical anarchism
- Propertarianism
- Right-libertarianism
- Voluntaryism
Old Man Jingles
Rat out of a cage
americans
ed up libertarianism. american perversion of libertarianism welcomes corporate tyranny.and martin luther king was a libertarian as he was abused by the state like the FBI
there are an equal amount of economic systems as well besides capitalism
Old Man Jingles
Rat out of a cage
The issue I see to your being any type of Libertarian is your belief in a strong, centralized authoritarian government.
BrownArmy
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Hmmm.
I guess I’d start out by saying that I’m an idealist, so take everything I say in that vein.
I’m all for a strong, centralized government, in the sense that, at scale, certain tasks make more sense with the combined power of all of our resources.
The Military. The Interstate Highway System. Protection of our natural resources. Clean air and water.
A common-sense regulatory system where, for example, US and global/interstate companies working here couldn’t continue to pour known cancer-causing hazardous effluent into our Nation’s water-supply.
Etc.
I’m not for an Authoritarian government at all: I want maximum freedom.
I don’t find wanting maximum freedom and idealizing a world where government actually works to be incompatible.
Really, I just want the people we elect to do their fkg jobs and run this nation for its people and not for lobbyists.
Serf
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I'm skeptical. Things like "Blue Dog Democrats" have diminished over the years.
Indecisi0n
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Lock him up
Lock him up
Lock him up
Lock him up
Lock him up
Old Man Jingles
Rat out of a cage
Your humor has improved over the last 5 years!
El Correcto
god is dead
Lobbyists are people to fren. Do you really believe a country can be successful by ignoring it’s private sector’s concerns. By letting a bunch of dumb asses in the hood vote themselves money out of other people’s pockets that they’ll squander on dumb
like financed rims for their 96 Lincoln.
Are you saying lobbyists don’t “vote themselves money out of other people’s pockets”?Lobbyists are people to fren. Do you really believe a country can be successful by ignoring it’s private sector’s concerns. By letting a bunch of dumb asses in the hood vote themselves money out of other people’s pockets that they’ll squander on dumb
You’re not that stupid. Butt you are @Wrong
El Correcto
god is dead
I never said they didn’t. I bitch about corporations like FedEx who instead of providing health coverage with employment preach “investing” in the American workforce, meaning subsidize our low wages and employment packages with working class tax dollars.
