Obamacare: 40% tax on highend healthcare plans?

brown_trousers

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You Obama haters whine that nothing gets done in congress or govt. Shame on the guy for trying to do something. Healthcare sure wasn't getting cheaper the old way. Maybe sit back and look at the results. Some guy in a chat room has no clue of the details, only what Michael Savage and Glenn Beck tells him.

Well.. In a few years, those of us at UPS will see whether obamacare makes our healthcare here at UPS cheaper or more expensive. I have a feeling that I will be paying more than I do now (which is nothing).

So go ahead and keep your delusions about this legislation. It is NOT going to make healthcare more "affordable" here at UPS.
 

ups1990

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" We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what's in it" as the former speaker Pelosi once said.
Although, I fully disagree with many of her politics, in a way she just might be correct. Does anyone fully comprehend bill? What about the ramifications of it? We've all heard numerous commentaries regarding how this massive bill will affect our lives from both sides off the isle and they both contradict each other. My feeling is that UPS has been looking for a way to make upsers pay a higher premium and or limit our health coverage, this bill probably gives them the flexibility to act on it. One thing is clear, in time we will all understand Obamacare and by then it will be too late for changes.
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

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The tax portion of Obamacare is set to start in 2018. I wonder if our next contract will expire in 2018 or will it extend beyond 2018 and contain language to allow the company to adjust our healthcare accordingly.
 

brownmonster

Man of Great Wisdom
Well.. In a few years, those of us at UPS will see whether obamacare makes our healthcare here at UPS cheaper or more expensive. I have a feeling that I will be paying more than I do now (which is nothing).

So go ahead and keep your delusions about this legislation. It is NOT going to make healthcare more "affordable" here at UPS.

There was a good chance we would have to start paying for it eventually like every other employee in America. At least now you will have someone to blame it on.
 
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want to retire

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Commies, socialist and Dems(yes, you are) listen up: You cannot add 30 million new people to the healthcare roles without more costs! These costs will be taken out of our middle class hides. The govt thinks we are wealthy! And...they are trying to add every Mexican they can. Not racist, pure fact. Yes, Obama is changing America.......down and to the left...
 

OptimusPrime

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Commies, socialist and Dems(yes, you are) listen up: You cannot add 30 million new people to the healthcare roles without more costs! These costs will be taken out of our middle class hides. The govt thinks we are wealthy! And...they are trying to add every Mexican they can. Not racist, pure fact. Yes, Obama is changing America.......down and to the left...

Man, if only we weren't bleeding money funding fruitless global conflicts, a pointless war on drugs, and hell even making sure "them damn gays" can't get married. And as for taking it out of the Middle Class, typical Republican M.O. Take a browse through history, take a peek at old tax rates for the upper class. The lowest they have ever been, not too mention all the loopholes they get. Yet Repubs still kick and scream, you can't tax the rich, it's unfair, it will trickle down!!! Lulz.

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Norma

Active Member
Take a simple issue like abortion (yes I'm being sarcastic). Does Obamacare pay for it or not? Today (now) you'll still get 100 different answers depending on the speaker and the audience.

Anyone who really believes this will make healthcare cheaper is seriously delusional. Look at Massachusetts which is the model. Costs are spirling out of control. It's true, but you won't hear about it on network TV. Obama's friend the gov wants to put in casinos to make ends meet. No one in their right mind would want the state sponsored plan.
 

klein

Für Meno :)
Well.. In a few years, those of us at UPS will see whether obamacare makes our healthcare here at UPS cheaper or more expensive. I have a feeling that I will be paying more than I do now (which is nothing).

So go ahead and keep your delusions about this legislation. It is NOT going to make healthcare more "affordable" here at UPS.

Commies, socialist and Dems(yes, you are) listen up: You cannot add 30 million new people to the healthcare roles without more costs! These costs will be taken out of our middle class hides. The govt thinks we are wealthy! And...they are trying to add every Mexican they can. Not racist, pure fact. Yes, Obama is changing America.......down and to the left...

Ok, let me get this straight :

It's much cheaper for having those with pre-medical conditions only getting access to an ER, and getting it "free" at a miminum $575 per visit, then going to see a doctor at $175 per visit.

For the other 30 Million uninsured, same thing, ER is much cheaper for them (it's free) !!!
Now who pays that ?

Lets see if Obamacare has a 10% healthcare increase as did the non-obama - private insurance had the last couple of years.
If anyone ever thinks healthcare costs go lower, they are delusional !
Even Canada had a 6% increase per year over the last 4 years.
But, sure beats the 10% increase Americans are paying !
 

island1fox

Well-Known Member
Ok, let me get this straight :

It's much cheaper for having those with pre-medical conditions only getting access to an ER, and getting it "free" at a miminum $575 per visit, then going to see a doctor at $175 per visit.

For the other 30 Million uninsured, same thing, ER is much cheaper for them (it's free) !!!
Now who pays that ?

Lets see if Obamacare has a 10% healthcare increase as did the non-obama - private insurance had the last couple of years.
If anyone ever thinks healthcare costs go lower, they are delusional !
Even Canada had a 6% increase per year over the last 4 years.
But, sure beats the 10% increase Americans are paying !


Klein,

When you are seventy and ask for a free hip replacement and they give you a free aspirin --then tout Canada's Healthcare.
 

bbsam

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Staff member
Klein,

When you are seventy and ask for a free hip replacement and they give you a free aspirin --then tout Canada's Healthcare.

You don't think there's going to be a huge market for supplemental insurance? I think people need to wake up from the nightmare of socialistic medicine and realize the market possibilities that are about to take off.
 

klein

Für Meno :)
Klein,

When you are seventy and ask for a free hip replacement and they give you a free aspirin --then tout Canada's Healthcare.

Why don't you talk to my mother that is now 76 and had a hip replacement about 3 years ago.
If you really think Canada's healthcare system for the eldery is a death sentence, then why do Canadians live about 5 years longer than Americans ?
And unlike medicare - Canadians in old age can still get the same overall healthcare and see any doctor they please.
That's one thing about Canada's healthcare system - no previliges for anyone - not for the rich, nor the famous - it's the same for everyone !

That's why it's also called "universal healthcare" .
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
."then why do Canadians live about 5 years longer than Americans ?...."

Because they want to piss off their kids !!
 

Overpaid Union Thug

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Man oh man! I can't wait till November! We absolutely, positively, MUST get republicans back in power. Or at least some real old school democrats instead of the neo marxists masquerading as democrats we are stuck with right now.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Man oh man! I can't wait till November! We absolutely, positively, MUST get republicans back in power. Or at least some real old school democrats instead of the neo marxists masquerading as democrats we are stuck with right now.

LOL. Too bad you guys nominated Romney, eh?
 

island1fox

Well-Known Member
You don't think there's going to be a huge market for supplemental insurance? I think people need to wake up from the nightmare of socialistic medicine and realize the market possibilities that are about to take off.

bbsam,

You are behind in the real facts. The AARP that is supposed look out for seniors --SUPPORTED Obamacare care for the sole reason --that they --the AARP will SELL very high price premium supplemental policies that only rich seniors will be able to afford. The middle class and poor will recieve the free aspirins. Remember it is Obamacare --that is removing 500 BILLION from senior care. When Ryan or any Republican looks to cut back Medicare the left Press and the libs cry about throwing Grandma under the BUS.


Obama has thrown both Grandma and Grandpa middle class under the bus and then has backed over them
 

island1fox

Well-Known Member
Why don't you talk to my mother that is now 76 and had a hip replacement about 3 years ago.
If you really think Canada's healthcare system for the eldery is a death sentence, then why do Canadians live about 5 years longer than Americans ?
And unlike medicare - Canadians in old age can still get the same overall healthcare and see any doctor they please.
That's one thing about Canada's healthcare system - no previliges for anyone - not for the rich, nor the famous - it's the same for everyone !

That's why it's also called "universal healthcare" .



kLEIN,

Sure klein,

And the tooth fairy still leaves money under the pillow.

In the real world --huge numbers of Canadiens with serious health problems come to the U.S. to avoid the weeks if not months of waiting periods.

Did your mother apply for her hip replacement twenty years ago ???
 
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