59 Dano
I just want to make friends!
He says he's burnt his sick days already. If his manager knows he's going to be leaving, perhaps he's paying him back.
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He says he's burnt his sick days already. If his manager knows he's going to be leaving, perhaps he's paying him back.
dezguy
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So, you admit managers will deny employee benefits as a payback for some vendetta they have?
59 Dano
I just want to make friends!
Vendetta? We're a little bit melodramatic, aren't we?
dezguy
Well-Known Member
Ok, let me rephrase. So, you admit managers will deny employees of their benefits as some sort of petty reprisal?
Maui
Well-Known Member
Pretty much all time has to be approved based on management needs. Personals should be scheduled at least 72 hours in advance. Less than 72 hours notice is considered an emergency and managers can ask for documentation.
Some states require personals to be paid if unused. Guessing you don’t live in one.
Some states require personals to be paid if unused. Guessing you don’t live in one.
Cactus
Just telling it like it is
I think they have to pay you for those unused personal days, don't they?
Oldfart
Well-Known Member
I don't believe personal days are paid out when you leave. Floaters and vacation only. Dano will know the answer.
Cactus
Just telling it like it is
MAKAVELI
Well-Known Member
That's what FMLA is for.
Cactus
Just telling it like it is
That's scary. More likely, Dano will know-it-all the answer.
dezguy
Well-Known Member
Nope. Use them or lose them.
Cactus
Just telling it like it is
OK, got it. Couldn't remember for sure. Thanks.
MAKAVELI
Well-Known Member
Everything but sick leave is paid out in Cali.
59 Dano
I just want to make friends!
Nah. Managers must follow policy in the granting and denying of personal days, which allows them to deny personal days based on operational needs. He says the station is short staffed. If I'm his manager then I look for a way to get him his personal days.
Unless he's misused sick days and he's about to jump ship, in which case I ain't going out of my way for him (operational needs!) and if he doesn't like it then he can go to HR. I aim to please. If people want to do things by the book, we'll do them by the book. If they want to play games, we'll play games. I let them make that call.
Fred's Myth
Nonhyphenated American
Just as lousy a character defect in a manager as it is in a police officer.
Fred's Myth
Nonhyphenated American
If they won’t schedule them, call in the last 2 days. Tell them you’re using your “floater” for personal business.
If you’re given grief, contact Memphis, not HR.
dezguy
Well-Known Member
Ok.
Good to know that managers aren't held to a higher standard than the employees under them and that all the propaganda hanging in our station about our industry leading benefits are really dependant on whether or not the manager chooses to allow us to use those benefits.
59 Dano
I just want to make friends!
Odd that you'd see it that way, because Express workgroups tend to disagree. They tend to see managers who treat the jackarses who walk all over them with the same respect that they treat employees who work by the book as poor managers. A common theme is that they feel that the manager is too scared to do anything about the guy who misuses his sick days and so on, and that they feel that continuing to play by the book will hurt them because the "bad guys" will somehow manipulate, deviate, or subvert people/situations/policies for their own benefit. Seeing it happen over and over only serves to reinforce that perception and it eventually leads to a belief that the manager doesn't matter and it gets worse from there.
If you've never worked for someone who didn't establish and enforce boundaries about what is and isn't acceptable then you should consider yourself lucky.
Some of those benefits are at the discretion of operational needs. As far as your reliance on the "higher standard," in the real world you don't get to be a slacker/malcontent and then complain that your manager isn't giving you the same discretion that he gives to a normal human.
