Preloader to Corporate Position?

[Anonymous 10]

HOAX, the classic example of what I said. He would last 5 minutes inside a package car, or 3 minutes on a load belt or 1 minute on a pickoff line. The corporate structure is LOADED with degreed morons who believe they know whats best for the package business, creating new disasters through technology, only to spend millions on concepts that COST the company money.

Hoax, you said what I said, "If he gets the chance at UPS Corporate management, he will probably work there 2 or 3 years and move on to the next company.""

You and I agree on this, and the only difference is that I didnt blow smoke up his rear to make the point. You may be better at puckering.

I am a bit more blunt, as I (unlike you) have the first hand experience with both the entire OPERATIONS and Regional management, and you merely sit in cubical wondering what donuts you are going to eat as you screw up the days dispatch for the PDS.

I have watched as college kids come in full of promise, only to be lied to by upper level corporate geeks who have NO intention of keeping them.

You are correct, after 2 or 3 years they move on, whether their choice or not. They see that the future of UPS corporate has no place for them. The only ones that survive are the ones who can say yes the fastest and loudest. If you have a brain, in 2 or 3 years, you figure out that you have wasted your education.

While I do not expect this guy to be a union lapdog, instead, he bites into the bone of "corporate dreamland" one of big offices and skyscrapers, only to be shown the dirty floors on the nearest hub.

I would rather see a smart educated young man find a real corporate sponsor to use his talents wisely and fulfill the promise that he studied for.

I am not about to candy coat a scenario for this kid, and watch as he wastes the next 5 years wondering how to get out of downtown IOWA.

and HOAX, its guys like you that make sure guys like me earn 100K every year with your blunderous new concepts for deliveries.

Peace

TOS

tos it's not nice to torture him just put him out of his misery.

 

[Catatonic]

He might be a dinosaur but when the asteroid hit he escaped the dust. He might have the years that you are talking about but his longevity in the field of operations is greater than your. By your own admission as I've seen by your own posts. Tos is a poster on here that has walked the walk and you should respect this from now on. You might not like him but his posts have true relevance here on this forum. Respect it. History is our greatest teacher and he (TOS) has paid his dues in the trenches called operations.

He was replying to a person wanting to know about a Finance and Accounting position in the Corporate office ... about which he does not know fricking zit.
He was just spewing his brand of hatred and ignorance.
He has not done anything to earn my respect ... when he does I will.

I gather TOS's trench-war was in Union activities.
I understand the need and respect that aspect of the UPS world but have little experience and no particular interest just as I have little experience and no particular interest of the Finance and Accounting aspect of UPS.

 

[packageguy]

We have 2 people that went into management, they were preloaders both had attendance problems, lates. We drivers thought they got fired, 1 week later they show as part time supervisors. We had hearings set for the week after next.

 

[feeder05]

run forest run!!!!!! Management in other companies are much less stressful and treat their employess with much more respect. Go use your degree for a company that will appreciate your education. This from a 24 year hourly employee. Good luck.

 

[Catatonic]

run forest run!!!!!! Management in other companies are much less stressful and treat their employess with much more respect. Go use your degree for a company that will appreciate your education. This from a 24 year hourly employee. Good luck.

UPS will look good on his resume.

Don't be so sure about management in those other companies, they bitch and moan about the stress and BS in their jobs too!

Management is not for everyone ... if your words resonate to him then he probably should not be management with any company.

 

[UPS Lifer]

UPS will look good on his resume.

Don't be so sure about management in those other companies, they bitch and moan about the stress and BS in their jobs too!

Management is not for everyone ... if your words resonate to him then he probably should not be management with any company.

KevinCP,



There are union hardliners who believe that anyone in management has a screw loose. They take to work the "us versus them" mentality every day. Their philosophy is bleed the company of all profits for the good of the worker. They don't understand capitalism and where their bread is buttered. They espouse to a socialistic platform even if they don't realize it. When the company or state goes bankrupt, they can't figure out what happened! I figure that with your background, you understand micro and macro economics.

This in no way reflects the entire Teamster union ....just the hardliners.

There are definitely those folks who enter management and are very unhappy. Those people probably never should have gone into management. I have seen a multitude of management people who fit this mold. They are usually very weak in their confrontation skills as well as other skills necessary to be able to perform their jobs. I worked in Finance for the now President of UPS International Operations (Dan B). The major area that can cause stress for a finance person is an internal Corporate Audit. But if you are doing your job as in any area of UPS, you don't have anything to worry about.

I was going to get into this in another post but thought it might be too much info. Support functions for operations such as all engineering departments, HR, and Business Development have close coordination with operations. These departments feel the day to day pressures a little more than Finance. The closest that Finance gets involved with operations is putting out the cost statements and analyzing them for the district and verifying cost for return on investment - when improvements need to be made. As you show your value and move to the region - you are even more layers away from the district to operations and same goes for corporate. In good times, (now is not one of them) district jobs can mean some travel in the district. Region jobs mean you can possibly travel to the districts in your region and corporately you can travel within your area's zone within the country. As a supervisor and even as a manager, chances are you will see little travel.

Except for TOS - (there is absolutely no respect for him from me!)- all due respect to the hardliners - they have absolutely no clue about management outside their scope of center operations and those support teams - as well as the labor department.

 

[kevingcp]

I didn't mean for this to be a white vs blue collar debate or anything. I can't see myself working on the belt much longer than another year and a half. I make it clear to my district manager, hr rep, and supes that I am MORE than willing to bust my ass everyday for the next year to move up the ladder, this is probably a mistake on my part but the experience I've gotten in the past 6 months far exceeds the bs education I've had in the last 4 years of college.

For those saying how I should only work 3-4 years for UPS then move on, this will probably be the case but I don't know what the future will bring, none of us do really. Who knows, maybe I'll enjoy my job and stick with the company for 5, 10, maybe even 30 years. All I'm saying is I'm willing to bust my ass now, put in my grunt work and get to where I want to be.

I could be just another "hopeful college grad" under the disillusion of the corporate ladder but I still believe that hard work pays off in the end.

If something does happen, I'll be sure to stay active in the forum and keep you all posted on my expierences. But I will be taking all advice with a grain of salt as I do believe that I am the master of my own ship.

 

[Catatonic]

But I will be taking all advice with a grain of salt as I do believe that I am the master of my own ship.

That's what it takes ... learn from others but make your own decision.

And never feel guilty to UPS or anyone else about the decision you make for yourself.
You don't owe anybody anything.

 

[kevingcp]

Well thought I'd give this thread an update.

I'm graduating college in 40 days and am working with management here in my Hub and corporate in Atlanta for a Financial Analyst and Profit Specialist postion at HQ. It's way up in the air right now but we are just talking. I've applied and given my resume/cover letter to my center manager so it's in his and HR's hands now!
​

 

[brown bomber]

looks like you're well on your way to a PROFRESSIONAL position, as stated in your original post..........you'll fit in well, provided spelling doesn't matter

 

[brown bomber]

hope that the Specialist POSTION at HQ works out....if this the future of UPS, I'm worried

 

[Catatonic]

looks like you're well on your way to a PROFRESSIONAL position, as stated in your original post..........you'll fit in well, provided spelling doesn't matter

hope that the Specialist POSTION at HQ works out....if this the future of UPS, I'm worried

I'm glad someone is helping to fill up the void of Upstate's departure.

 

[kevingcp]

Wow, a few typos and you guys flock to me like flies on horse ****.

​Congrats bros.

 

[Catatonic]

Wow, a few typos and you guys flock to me like flies on horse ****.

​Congrats bros.

Ignore it, jealousy brings out the worst in people.

 

[UPS Lifer]

Hope everything works out for you!

 

[kevingcp]

Hope everything works out for you!

Thank you! Keeping my fingers crossed and my hopes low haha. I know things like this are a long shot. I've applied elsewhere as where to not put all my eggs in one basket.

 

[cach123]

kevin,

Hopefully I can give you some motivation. I graduated with a finance degree in 2009. Couldn't find a job in the field for 3 years because of the 'we want entry level workers to have experience before hiring' thing, among other things. Had interviews often, but never could land anything. Finally I became desperate for benefits, heard that with a degree and good work ethic I could be a PT supervisor at UPS and get benefits pretty fast, so I did.

My first week at CACH loading trucks, my manager approached me because he had been told I had a degree. I instantly made it very clear to him that I intended to be a supervisor ASAP. 3 months later I was management. Its frustrating work, but I had interviewed for 3 positions in UPS within 6 months. I didn't get any of them, and started applying at other companies too. Finally, last September, I interviewed for a FT Specialist job and got it. Best feeling ever.

It took me 13 months at UPS to go from package handler to full time specialist in Finance. I would say the key is just to make sure you make your intentions clear to your superiors. My FT supervisor and my manager both knew I was a great worker, a pretty smart guy, and I had a degree, but there are quite a few individuals walking around UPS with those qualities. But they don't speak up and make their intentions clear. I made it clear to my manager that I had no intentions of being a PT supervisor for more than a year or two. As long as I was there I would give 100%, but he and I both knew I was looking for bigger things. So as long as our misload rate was good, no one was getting hurt, and the trucks were going out on time, he was putting in the good word for me.

I've been a FT Specialist for a little over 5 months now and all is well for the most part. It's still hard work, just a different breed of work. The pay isn't bad, I mean I know what some of my friends are making with similar qualifications and I know I can do better, but right now I am just learning and gaining very valuable experience. I could see myself leaving UPS in a year or two, but who knows, I could also see myself working here for 25-30 more years.

I'm not going to lie, I feel like I got pretty lucky to land the actual position I did, but I also know that I worked very hard to get here and I'm not gonna stop now.

 

[trickpony1]

Kevin-
Tell them you know Hoaxster.
That should propel you to the top in Atlanta.

 

[Catatonic]

Kevin-
Tell them you know Hoaxster.
That should propel you to the top in Atlanta.

Kevin,
Probably not a good move.
​Well liked by the lower echelon but not by the upper level.
​I questioned too much and marched to a different drummer.

Seriously ... would not be a good move.