R.I.P. Fred S

[vantexan]

Some dipst workers in California, New York, and the Memphis don't know they can't unionize since they have.
While it would be difficult, it is possible for a national.

Show me where Express couriers are unionized? Mechanics and pilots are much smaller groups not governed by the same laws/regulations.

 

[BrownFlush]

Show me where Express couriers are unionized? Mechanics and pilots are much smaller groups not governed by the same laws/regulations.

FedEx Ground: Some package handlers and drivers are unionized, primarily through the Teamsters Union in certain locations. - Source:AI

 

[BrownFlush]

The no benefits and low pay part is the crux of the matter. You earn your money at UPS but there was a time when we did too at Express. Before Ground came along many of us drove big.stepvans. But we had to run a sort every morning before hitting the road. And then had to meet deadlines all day while delivering and picking up bulk. And depending on the station often had to work the reload at night. Every day was a fire drill, often after waiting for late freight after our flight was delayed for weather or mechanical issues. The advent of Ground made it easier for a lot of us but it still was a fire drill. Unlike you we were never rewarded much for our efforts in the last 20-25 years. If not 30. I couldn't imagine doing the job for what they're offering now. Looking forward to getting Medicare. My knees will need replacing eventually.

Those letters were back breakers.

 

[vantexan]

Those letters were back breakers.

Routinely handled up to 150 lbs. What's the UPS limit?

 

[vantexan]

FedEx Ground: Some package handlers and drivers are unionized, primarily through the Teamsters Union in certain locations. - Source:AI

You were talking about FedEx as a whole. Good luck with that.

 

[BrownFlush]

Routinely handled up to 150 lbs. What's the UPS limit?

That's a heavy letter.
Our center walked out for a day because there was no language for the over 70. Agreed to have another driver meet up at the time of delivery.

 

[BrownFlush]

You were talking about FedEx as a whole. Good luck with that.

With the labor problems fedx has with scab labor, express' volume going to contractors, labor pool shrinking because there are only so many idiots to choose from after people keep quitting, it may not be much luck required.

 

[Fred's Myth]

With the labor problems fedx has with scab labor, express' volume going to contractors, labor pool shrinking because there are only so many idiots to choose from after people keep quitting, it may not be much luck required.

Any attempt at unionizing would immediately result in air freight being transferred to Ground, even at the cost of service failures.

You really should get back in your lane, and elucidate on something you have knowledge about.

 

[UnionStrong]

Routinely handled up to 150 lbs. What's the UPS limit?

I never saw couriers with packages bigger than those triangle tubes.

 

[Fred's Myth]

I never saw couriers with packages bigger than those triangle tubes.

And that makes it a fact?

Peterbilt drive axles exceeding 150# routinely came down our belt.

Where were you watching from?

 

[BrownFlush]

Any attempt at unionizing would immediately result in air freight being transferred to Ground, even at the cost of service failures.

You really should get back in your lane, and elucidate on something you have knowledge about.

Well, thanks for the schooling.
If an attempt was made and all the air was transferred to ground, which is happening as we chat in an air conditioned living room, could ground, the owners, refuse? Organize takes everyone. It's kinda the way it happens.

 

[UnionStrong]

And that makes it a fact?

Peterbilt drive axles exceeding 150# routinely came down our belt.

Where were you watching from?

Next to a courier van. It certainly wasn’t a Peterbilt. You humps barely broke a sweat. Lot of women working there. Lol

 

[UnionStrong]

Well, thanks for the schooling.
If an attempt was made and all the air was transferred to ground, which is happening as we chat in an air conditioned living room, could ground, the owners, refuse? Organize takes everyone. It's kinda the way it happens.

He knows everything.

 

[Operational needs]

Some dipst workers in California, New York, and the Memphis don't know they can't unionize since they have.
While it would be difficult, it is possible for a national.

Those are not Express employees. Express employees missed that boat years ago. It became pretty much impossible after the Railway Labor Act was passed.

 

[Fred's Myth]

Well, thanks for the schooling.
If an attempt was made and all the air was transferred to ground, which is happening as we chat in an air conditioned living room, could ground, the owners, refuse? Organize takes everyone. It's kinda the way it happens.

Ground owners that refused would have their contracts revoked, and would be replaced immediately.

Each contractor has their own employees who would have to be unionized on a contractor by contractor basis, effectively making it impossible.

And @UnionStrong, while I am informed on this discussion because I was an Express courier for over 20 years involved in this situation, I do not claim to know everything. If I were to make assertions regarding UPS, and you corrected me, I would concede to your first hand knowledge.

 

[UnionStrong]

Ground owners that refused would have their contracts revoked, and would be replaced immediately.

Each contractor has their own employees who would have to be unionized on a contractor by contractor basis, effectively making it impossible.

And @UnionStrong, while I am informed on this discussion because I was an Express courier for over 20 years involved in this situation, I do not claim to know everything. If I were to make assertions regarding UPS, and you corrected me, I would concede to your first hand knowledge.

I only know what I saw. I had lunch with a few couriers most days when I worked on a particular route. We would all park at a beach. They all had vans, no bulk. I assume you had bigger trucks for larger packages?

 

[BrownFlush]

Ground owners that refused would have their contracts revoked, and would be replaced immediately.

If their contracts would be revoked, don't they still own the trucks?

Each contractor has their own employees who would have to be unionized on a contractor by contractor basis, effectively making it impossible.

Things have a way of snowballing with a little backing.

 

[Fred's Myth]

I only know what I saw. I had lunch with a few couriers most days when I worked on a particular route. We would all park at a beach. They all had vans, no bulk. I assume you had bigger trucks for larger packages?

Yes, but even the vans used to get massive packages sometimes (before Ground). Made friends with a UPS driver on my route, there was no comparison between what he hauled and delivered, and my freight, agreed. But to claim that all FedEx delivered was letters, while cute, is inaccurate.

 

[Fred's Myth]

If their contracts would be revoked, don't they still own the trucks?

Things have a way of snowballing with a little backing.

Yes. Ask Spencer Patton.

Doubt the Teamsters would expend much effort OR expense to unionize hundreds of groups of 10-20 Ground employees, one at a time.

 

[Operational needs]

Yes, but even the vans used to get massive packages sometimes (before Ground). Made friends with a UPS driver on my route, there was no comparison between what he hauled and delivered, and my freight, agreed. But to claim that all FedEx delivered was letters, while cute, is inaccurate.

I once delivered 4 trampolines on my rural route, three 100 lb boxes each. And don’t let me tell you about the woman who used to buy oriental rugs overseas and send them to her house in rounded 100 lb+ boxes each.