Repug versus Dimwit perception of the electoral map of the United States

[vantexan]

Wrong

Pretty sure he agrees with me.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Pretty sure he agrees with me.

You need to learn some history.
Your ignorance can be fixed.

 

[bbsam]

You're arguing since there are so many liberals concentrated in New York and California their influence in national elections is limited to their electoral college votes which isn't fair. The framers obviously anticipated power being concentrated in large cities and wanted all parts of the country to have a say in how things are done. If you want national influence you have to earn it. As demonstrated by the Green New Deal liberals often want to take things too far too fast. Those conservative hicks in the sticks often have a much more steady approach to things. Want to get elected? Have a moderate approach in between that gets the most votes and insures extremists on either side don't take over. Trump is only radical to the far Left and doesn't go far enough to many on the far right. In between is where it's at, not the often observed craziness of California.

Damn van. Pay attention.

IT IS NOT ABOUT LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

Donald Trump is president. Fundamentally, nothing has changed. Sure, there’s some push and pull at the edges, but money is still money, power is still power, and you still have to live out of the country to make ends meet for the lifestyle you want.

 

[vantexan]

You need to learn some history.
Your ignorance can be fixed.

No, you want to rewrite history to suit your liberal bent.

 

[bbsam]

Not on the coast. And very Southern.

North Carolina? About as nonsouthern as a southern state can be.

 

[vantexan]

Damn van. Pay attention.

IT IS NOT ABOUT LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

Donald Trump is president. Fundamentally, nothing has changed. Sure, there’s some push and pull at the edges, but money is still money, power is still power, and you still have to live out of the country to make ends meet for the lifestyle you want.

Half of the country lives fine. Pretty doubtful you'll ever get a system where everyone does. But you'll keep trying.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

No, you want to rewrite history to suit your liberal bent.

You are the liberal , not me.

You claim the founders made an electoral college because they foresaw large cities having too much power.

That's flat out wrong lol.

 

[vantexan]

North Carolina? About as nonsouthern as a southern state can be.

Funny you should say that. I was thinking as I drove in today that North Carolinians are the Yankees of the South. But then I have lived in rural North Carolina too. Much different than Raleigh or Charlotte.

 

[vantexan]

You are the liberal , not me.

You claim the founders made an electoral college because they foresaw large cities having too much power.

That's flat out wrong lol.

OK, why did they do it?

 

[bbsam]

Half of the country lives fine. Pretty doubtful you'll ever get a system where everyone does. But you'll keep trying.

Hell yeah we will! Not sure why that’s a bad thing!

 

[BrownArmy]

The ‘framers’ of this country would be absolutely horrified if they could see...

 

[BrownArmy]

“Oh no, there goes Tokyo...”

 

[bbsam]

Charlotte, NC is the second largest Financial Center in the USA.

Funny you should say that. I was thinking as I drove in today that North Carolinians are the Yankees of the South. But then I have lived in rural North Carolina too. Much different than Raleigh or Charlotte.

Well there you go.

 

[vantexan]

Hell yeah we will! Not sure why that’s a bad thing!

Because you won't replace the system with a better one, just make everyone miserable in the process.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

OK, why did they do it?

The founders made the electoral college because they believed people were too stupid to choose the president.

They were clearly right on that account.

Electors, free from obligation to political party or will of the ignorant masses, could make the decision for them.

The current electoral college is a complete perversion of the founders' intent.

 

[vantexan]

The founders made the electoral college because they believed people were too stupid to choose the president.

They were clearly right on that account.

Electors, free from obligation to political party or will of the ignorant masses, could make the decision for them.

The current electoral college is a complete perversion of the founders' intent.

Can you name an election where the popular vote was ignored and they chose who they wanted instead? I'm talking about state by state, not the national popular vote. When did the current electoral college become a perversion? Are you saying the rich and powerful should choose the president?

 

[bbsam]

Because you won't replace the system with a better one, just make everyone miserable in the process.

That is a depressingly defeatist attitude.

 

[vantexan]

That is a depressingly defeatist attitude.

Has been tried repeatedly. Can't think of a single large country where it's been successful and only for various reasons the Scandinavian countries come close. Maybe Japan.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Are you saying the rich and powerful should choose the president?

I'm saying your argument that the founders made the electoral college because they didn't want large cities to have too much power is flat out wrong.

You need to learn some history buddy.

 

[turq]

North Carolina? About as nonsouthern as a southern state can be.

Have you seen the make up of the State Senate? It's changing and there are pockets of "non-Southern" areas, but I wouldn't go as far as what you said.