i dont think my guys have ever really talked too much about why people rebel aside from chris. to me its just common sense. somethings wrong you fix it. but we live in a culture where people arent thinking. its about self respect too.
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Netflix actually released a TV series that could be about Chris/Christ Hedges called “Messiah.”
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“A CIA officer investigates a charismatic figure whose followers believe that he can perform miracles. Is he a divine entity or a dangerous con artist?”
netflix used to do good documentaries, then they went to
s...chris hedges tells people to save themselves, not that hes gonna save htem or really any politician will LOL
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netflix used to do good documentaries, then they went to
Yep. And the messiah complex is like......(takes another bong hit).......so mainstream and old news for the left by now too, bruhhhhhhh.
have you ever heard of self respect LOL
I sure hadn’t in that impression of a hard leftist, had I? LOL
what?
actually chris hedges has written about crisis cults. trump largely acts like a cult leader too.
zubenelgenubi
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That's it. Thanks. I was just riffing and couldn't think of the right word. Been happening lately, brain's getting tired with these long days. I had to actually run Orion yeaterday.
zubenelgenubi
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ive never heard that. chris hedges did a book called wages of rebellion i dont recall reading that. i havent heard too much about why some people are good and some people arent. you just assume they are
Jordan Peterson would say saving the world starts with cleaning your bedroom. Occupiers and rioters haven't even mastered that, according to the mess and destruction they leave in their wake. You master taking care of your small corner of the world in order to save it, that's common sense. You don't demand that others start acting the way you think they should when you can't even stand on your own two feet, that's immaturity at best.
yea but your logic says its millennials fault they cant afford the rent.
its fair to ask someone to act more justly and morally even when you are not perfect yourself. they can tell you to do the same. thats better than both of you shutting up which is probably what jordan peterson is saying.
just think about what your guy is saying: hes saying if youre not perfect then shut up. thats ridiculous. most people have their problems. having a problem doesnt mean they shouldnt fight for justice. whats jordan petersons position on justice? hes probably one of these guys who has low standards.
we live in a society where people keep their heads down out of fear of what will happen to them if they act morally. we live in a society where people have a hard time putting themselves in other people's shoes. do we live in a society where people act in solidarity with each other? because thats what BLM is an example of, and thats what jordan peterson is suggesting we stop doing because were not perfect. i might be wrong but i think despite BLM's shortcomings like property destruction, its still worth continuing.
whos to blame for housing prices not staying in line with incomes? probably the banks.
whos to blame for incomes not rising relative to inflation since 1973?
really everyone is to blame, few are completely innocent and are actually doing their part, but not everyone is to blame equally. you can blame the greediest
s the most.jordan peterson is likely a sham and he wouldnt debate richard wolff when richard wolff reached out.
nobody is perfect. if hte right wing was so concerned with property destruction in the name of democracy they shouldve done something more productive about it instead of crying about it online. also the right wing could have been against hte wars which by definition are property destruction would have been more morally consistent, which they also didnt do. im guessing hte BLM property destruction was premature, but im not a pacifist and neither are many of hte guys i listen to.
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zubenelgenubi
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yea but your logic says its millennials fault they cant afford the rent.
its fair to ask someone to act more justly and morally even when you are not perfect yourself. they can tell you to do the same. thats better than both of you shutting up which is probably what jordan peterson is saying.
just think about what your guy is saying: hes saying if youre not perfect then shut up. thats ridiculous. most people have their problems. having a problem doesnt mean they shouldnt fight for justice. whats jordan petersons position on justice? hes probably one of these guys who has low standards.
we live in a society where people keep their heads down out of fear of what will happen to them if they act morally. we live in a society where people have a hard time putting themselves in other people's shoes. do we live in a society where people act in solidarity with each other? because thats what BLM is an example of, and thats what jordan peterson is suggesting we stop doing because were not perfect. i might be wrong but i think despite BLM's shortcomings like property destruction, its still worth continuing.
whos to blame for housing prices not staying in line with incomes? probably the banks.
whos to blame for incomes not rising relative to inflation since 1973?
really everyone is to blame, few are completely innocent and are actually doing their part, but not everyone is to blame equally. you can blame the greediest
jordan peterson is likely a sham and he wouldnt debate richard wolff when richard wolff reached out.
nobody is perfect. if hte right wing was so concerned with property destruction in the name of democracy they shouldve done something more productive about it instead of crying about it online. also the right wing could have been against hte wars which by definition are property destruction would have been more morally consistent, which they also didnt do. im guessing hte BLM property destruction was premature, but im not a pacifist and neither are many of hte guys i listen to.
Ok, I just got through the second paragraph before I couldn't bear to read you telling me what my logic is anymore. It's not about being perfect or shutting up. It's about working on yourself and the things you have control over. If you can't afford rent, you can't directly control rent prices, so you have options: find a way to make more money so you can afford rent, move to a place with lower rent, live in the wilderness and improve your survival skills, live in your parent's basement and tell billionaires how to behave.
You have the option to rail against society, but you best be in a position to actually understand the implications of the changes you want made, and how those would effect others. You can't just demand that rents be lowered because it benefits you. What about the retired couple who worked their whole lives to buy property so the could rent it out? You expect them to take a loss so you can live cheaper? That's the same as you stealing from them in the past. Actions have consequences. Work on getting yourself out of the basement, get some perspective. As you improve yourself you will be less concerned about what other people do or don't do and whether it measures up to your expectations.
You talk about morality and people not acting morally, as a big part of the problem. What's worse is that without a shared value system, your sense of morality will likely never align with mine, and we will never agree on what is moral. Liberty is the only way through which the superior sense of morality can manifest itself. People have to be free to make their mistakes.and learn from them. Anything less is some degree of tyranny, which does not lend itself to morality. People stop taking responsibility for their own choices, and blame others for their failures. Because the existence of others makes it impossible to be completely liberated, we settle on some compromise between liberty and tyranny. The form of government that promotes liberty most and tyranny least will always be the best for morality to manifest itself.
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yea rich people are
s ie less concerned. thats quite often how they got rich because they didnt give a about the people they were ripping off like their workers. its i dunno hubris. delusion.interesting how you left out get organized to lower housing costs as one of your options. housing costs are destroying hte middle class which is one thing conservatives like to brag about as a means of justifying capitalism.
yea we expect the banks to take a loss if housing is to be cheaper. check out michael hudson on vancouver he talks about this and the solution. its a zero sum game im guessing. the retired couple are beneficiaries of a time when housing was less inflated. rising housing prices are not good. debt servitude takes away your freedom. also it makes your economy high cost which means its not competitive.
again, people having their own imperfections like whatever j peterson was talking about probably doesnt justify them not seeking justice.
yea im not an expert on this but my guys are in favor of democracy and i think that means living and dying by your own choices, not the choices which someone else made for you. one example of people choosing for us is capitalism.
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zubenelgenubi
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yea rich people are
interesting how you left out get organized to lower housing costs as one of your options. housing costs are destroying hte middle class which is one thing conservatives like to brag about as a means of justifying capitalism.
yea we expect the banks to take a loss if housing is to be cheaper. check out michael hudson on vancouver he talks about this and the solution. its a zero sum game im guessing. the retired couple are beneficiaries of a time when housing was less inflated. rising housing prices are not good. debt servitude takes away your freedom. also it makes your economy high cost which means its not competitive.
again, people having their own imperfections like whatever j peterson was talking about probably doesnt justify them not seeking justice.
But justice is not what you define it to be. If people are intentionally defrauding others, they need to be brought to justice. If people get priced out of the housing market because other, more successful people can afford to pay more, whose fault is that? You can't just say, "my life sucks, it's everyone else's fault. I need justice."
Who owes it to you to give you what you think you deserve?
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people are getting priced out of hte market because developers want to maximize profits at everyone's expense which means limiting supply, and banks keep driving up the price on bidding wars by lending more money. its been a while since ive heard the arguments but these are 2 things. and then theres financialization of the economy including speculation on housing.
we owe it to ourselves to have justice, sympathy, love and it takes work. if the govt or something in the private sphere has taken it from us then we have to take it back. taking is not a 1 way street for hte rich and govt, we can do it too and its moral.
jordan peterson could be right that the violence and property destruction means theres no point to BLM, but i doubt it.
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heres somewhere to start for what we should aim for:
Universal Declaration of Human Rights | United Nations
A milestone document in the history of human rights, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights set out, for the first time, fundamental human rights to be universally protected. It has been translated into over 500 languages.
i may be wrong, but if people cant affording housing then there are a few reasons:
either they dont make enough money to afford it and its their fault or its not their fault ie greed.
or the price of housing is so high and its their fault or its not their fault like because of banks inflating hte price and developers.
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What gave it away? The ears?
