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zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
heres somewhere to start for what we should aim for:

i may be wrong, but if people cant affording housing then there are a few reasons:
either they dont make enough money to afford it and its their fault or its not their fault ie greed.

or the price of housing is so high and its their fault or its not their fault like because of banks inflating hte price and developers.

We agree on a lot of the problems. But you want a universal declaration of human rights? Who do you expect to enforce it? What will happen when it is violated? What happens if you are wrongfully accused of violating it? Immorality, injustice, greed, many of those things are in the eye of the beholder. Some would call you greedy for demanding things you never earned, while you call it justice saying you are taking it back.

It's a fool's errand to try to eliminate everything wrong in the world, and (might I add?) the very hubris you accuse others of. To think that you know what is best for everyone else? The ultimate conceit. It is the ultimate in humility and morality to focus on fixing what is wrong with yourself. Master yourself and you will have already made the world a better place. Then you can turn your attention to those things outside of yourself that you have control over. There really is no other path.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
We agree on a lot of the problems. But you want a universal declaration of human rights? Who do you expect to enforce it? What will happen when it is violated? What happens if you are wrongfully accused of violating it? Immorality, injustice, greed, many of those things are in the eye of the beholder. Some would call you greedy for demanding things you never earned, while you call it justice saying you are taking it back.

It's a fool's errand to try to eliminate everything wrong in the world, and (might I add?) the very hubris you accuse others of. To think that you know what is best for everyone else? The ultimate conceit. It is the ultimate in humility and morality to focus on fixing what is wrong with yourself. Master yourself and you will have already made the world a better place. Then you can turn your attention to those things outside of yourself that you have control over. There really is no other path.
yea and when do people master themselves? we honestly dont have time to wait for that. you cant master yourself without joining hte movement.

people dont know its gonna be trial and error to some degree. you know you make it sound like its complicated, but george lucas says its really common sense and i agree.

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zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
yea and when do people master themselves? we honestly dont have time to wait for that. you cant master yourself without joining hte movement.

people dont know its gonna be trial and error to some degree. you know you make it sound like its complicated, but george lucas says its really common sense and i agree.

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Nope, the collective cannot transcend the individual. Mastery of self is an ongoing process, and it can't be legislated by government, nor dictated by a mob, because everyone is different. The further along in your self-mastery, the better equipped you are to handle the challenges and take on the dragons of life.

Most people in movements are barely self-aware. A collective movement of unenlightened fools is capable of one thing, if any, and that is mindless destruction, as evidenced by the "peaceful protests". Most of these people are so unaware that they have no idea that they are being manipulated and used by the very people they are protesting. The rest know exactly what they are doing.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
Nope, the collective cannot transcend the individual. Mastery of self is an ongoing process, and it can't be legislated by government, nor dictated by a mob, because everyone is different. The further along in your self-mastery, the better equipped you are to handle the challenges and take on the dragons of life.

Most people in movements are barely self-aware. A collective movement of unenlightened fools is capable of one thing, if any, and that is mindless destruction, as evidenced by the "peaceful protests". Most of these people are so unaware that they have no idea that they are being manipulated and used by the very people they are protesting. The rest know exactly what they are doing.
the french have hte best understanding how power works, they were protesting like crazy before covid. most people have no idea the return on investment they get from sustained civil disobedience, which is why most people dont do it.

our world is more based on interconnection than individualism.

america is a violent culture, so what do you expect? what work has the right wing done to make america more peaceful at home and abroad?

occupy wall st had pretty good demands. what was the critique by the right wing of them? i think they kept saying they had no demands and htey are socialists and yadayada.

you dont even have to know much to go to a protest. i went to a monsanto protest and i forgot most of the stuff thats wrong with monsanto, but i went anyways. thing is i know where to look. its about support.
 

Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
... our world is more based on interconnection than individualism.

america is a violent culture, so what do you expect? what work has the right wing done to make america more peaceful at home and abroad?

occupy wall st had pretty good demands. what was the critique by the right wing of them? i think they kept saying they had no demands and htey are socialists and yadayada.

you dont even have to know much to go to a protest. i went to a monsanto protest and i forgot most of the stuff thats wrong with monsanto, but i went anyways. thing is i know where to look. its about support.
My world is based on Individualism first and then interconnection to some extent ... maybe.
The first is about character and the latter is about dependency!

Examples are 'owning a house' and 'living in your parent's basement'.
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
nonsense. its based on reality.

your world is based on intercourse

Reality does not conform to your understanding of it. Intercourse requires individuals. Individuals are prior to interconnectedness, without the one, you can't have the many. Putting the collective before the individual is doomed to injustice and atrocity, no matter how you try to redefine those words.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
Reality does not conform to your understanding of it. Intercourse requires individuals. Individuals are prior to interconnectedness, without the one, you can't have the many. Putting the collective before the individual is doomed to injustice and atrocity, no matter how you try to redefine those words.
Reality does not conform to your understanding of it. well said.

have you heard of the counter argument to survival of the fittest?
 
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