The day I lost my seniority

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by MrUPSguY, Mar 4, 2008.

  1. MrUPSguY

    MrUPSguY Red Headed Step Child

    This is going to be long winded, but I would really want to get my point across and not leave out any details. I figure the more informed you are, the more you may be able to help me in my situation.

    I have been a driver for around 7 years now. I work in Port Angeles, WA. I just got my own route back in November '07. It was a great feeling to finally get a route I could call my own, and have the oppurtunity that most of my peers have.

    We are a small center, having only 18 routes and about 23 drivers. Since we are so far west, we don't get our frieght until 7am every morning. So this enables our center to have a driver sort that starts everyday at 7:10am.

    When I first got hired as a part time employee, i learned quickly that seniority played a huge role in your career while at UPS. And I also learned that being a driver with his own route was a very lucritive position within the company. So I set my personal goals right away, and wanted to get my own route.

    As I moved up the ladder, I started seeing my seniority pay off, and was given the oppurnity to partake in the driver sort in the morning. For the last 6 years I have been told that the work in the morning was concidered extra work, and if I ever refused it, I would not be given the chance to ever accept it again. So everytime it became available, I snatched it up. It was nice starting at 7:10, because I enjoyed getting off work around 5:30pm - 6:00pm and still getting a couple of hours overtime. In order to get that kind of overtime when I started at 9am, I usually had to work until 7pm or later.

    Last Friday during our PCM, our manager told us that the last 4 bid routes were going to be dedicated 9am start times. This meant I would not be able to keep my route if i ever wanted the oppurtunity to work in the preload again. This also affected 3 other employees that have more seniority than I do.

    Now I am being forced to bid off of my route just to protect that 7am start I was guarenteed almost everyday. My family has relied on this overtime the last 6 years greatly. And the union tells me that there is nothing they can do for any of us. Now I have people with less seniority coming into the morning sort, and given those extra hours instead of me because I refuse to bid off of my route.

    My supervisor has let it be known that our shop stewerd was approached with a plan that envovled picking 4 other routes that were rural and high milage runs. He (supervisor) was told that the union would fight if they took away those start times from the upper senior drivers. And our steward told him that they should pick that routes by seniority, and the last 4 routes that were bid should be the ones that get the dedicated 9am start times.

    For one, I feel betrayed by our own steward. I also feel betrayed that I was not given the same oppurtunity that my peer drivers had before me. Why did they pick my route. Since I have one the of highest amount of pickups everyday, it would make sense to pick a more rural route so I could get that volume I pick up everyday back to the building to get processed.

    I have talked with several other senior drivers that are not affected by this, and they all tell me that we are getting screwed. The company is trying to break up the past practice that has been going on there for the last 20 years. Now my future of having my own route has been shattered, because every route that becomes available after some one retires, the company will bid it as a 9am start time whenever they deem necessary.

    This really irritates me, and I feel violated. If anyone can give me and my fellow co-workers any advise, it would be greatly appreciated. After my shop steward tells me that my seniority doesn't count for anything, I feel like quitting.

    Just for your information, HIS route was on the block to be a dedicated 9am start time.....

    Last edited: Mar 4, 2008
  2. paidslave

    paidslave New Member

    Sorry for your change of start time but the reality is your start time will now be the same for most drivers in the country. I forgave having a family cause of my dedication to the job...

    Count your blessings that you have a family and good luck with your new hours!


    Not sure much can be done.........
  3. longlunchguy

    longlunchguy Runnin on Empty

    There's not much tha can be CONTRACTUALLY done, because (at least in our supplement) UPS can change start times with 24 hours notice. If it makes you feel any better, I understand your argument about having a higher pick up volume route get back earlier. That makes sense. As far as your suggestion that the steward used his position to advance his own personal agenda:surprised: Happens here all the time.

    Kiss your wife and kids in the morning. Take the kids to school. Enjoy the mornings with them and go to work at 9. Do the job right and bring the pick up volume back as late as you can without stealing time. Maybe they'll be forced to change your route back. Good luck. When can you re-bid? Here it's next March.
  4. Dirty Savage

    Dirty Savage Paranoid Android

    Dude, I had the exact same thing happen to me but in my case the end result was quite different. We, too, have a driver sort and there came a time when I was told that I would be starting later and another, more senior driver would be loading my car until I actually started. Ok, fine. There came a time, though, when a driver with less seniority than me was given an earlier start time so that he could be on the sort. Well, of course I made a stink about that. I never had to involve the union, I just went to my sup first and told him that if there were hours available on the sort that I should be getting them. Enough said, as junior driver was bumped and I was put back on the sort, loading my own car and his too.

    I'm sorry that seniority seemingly doesn't matter at your centre.
  5. dannyboy

    dannyboy From the promised LAND

    First off you are confusing two different things. Seniority, and the right to follow your route.

    First off, your route was being started at 9 because you and three others at the bottom of the pole had the least seniority. So your route had a new start time because of your seniority. Now, they offered you to bid on a route that had an earlier start time. At least one of the guys with less seniority did so, and left his route to have the earlier start time on another route. Since you were offered that, and refused, you took yourself out of the seniority loop to stay on that route. I am assuming by lucrative, you are also on bonus? And that is what caused you to stay on that route?

    So the way I read your posts, you are blaming the union for changing yoru route and that of the least 4 seniority employees instead of the highest 4?

    I think your seniority was protected, you were offered to change by seniority, and refused, and now you are not happy with the results?

    Sorry, you chose what you have by default. In a perfect world, you could have your route and start time too. But the world is not perfect.

    But it is not the unions fault.
  6. IDoLessWorkThanMost

    IDoLessWorkThanMost New Member

    Precisely. Come bid time, jobs can change, start times, classifications, etc etc. This is the nature of the beast. The company and union must maintain the jobs from the previous bid, but there are no stipulations saying the jobs, classifications, start times cannot be changed.

    Adapting to changes is one thing any full-time UPS employee should be able to handle...
    I say suck it up and get to delivering. No one "forced" the author to bid anything, like there's a gun to his throat...