The real pandemic, that is conveniently ignored.

[rickyb]

I vehemently disagree with your claim that America is deeply anti-intellectual. And your issue with the anti-war journalists, that you keep bringing back up, is absolute nonsense. It's like Lenin said, you focus on the hypocrisy, against which there can be no defense, and that is one way you agitate and divide. But this is a fake hypocrisy, made up because you can't think of better evidence to accuse the system over.

Journalists' jobs are to report the facts without putting their views into it. The fact that this almost never happens any more is more of a concern than anti-war journalists' views being stifled. If they wanted to report on the real reasons for the wars, with evidence, and report on the terrible things that happened as a result of war, there was nothing stopping them. If they got fired for going against their employer's wishes, sometimes that's the price of doing the right thing. They could just as easily founded their own outlet and established their own editorial guidelines. I assume that's probably what some did.

So you can stop beating that dead horse of non-self censorship.

thats nonsense that a journalist will report facts without putting their views into it. actually what stops journalists from reporting the facts are access to ppl they depend on for news and advertisers.

moving onto another area, look up what richard wolff says about how they treat unpopular yet major economic theories.

theres all kinds of things where not only it wouldnt do to say, but it wouldnt do to think in the west which points at us not being free. the school system is a propaganda system, the media is a propaganda system, what else am i missing.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

thats nonsense that a journalist will report facts without putting their views into it. actually what stops journalists from reporting the facts are access to ppl they depend on for news and advertisers.

moving onto another area, look up what richard wolff says about how they treat unpopular yet major economic theories.

theres all kinds of things where not only it wouldnt do to say, but it wouldnt do to think in the west which points at us not being free. the school system is a propaganda system, the media is a propaganda system, what else am i missing.

You can believe what you want about journalism/journalists, but you're wrong. I agree that school and media are propaganda, but they are friendly to your views, so you shouldn't be complaining about that. I could whine about my views being silenced, as there is actual evidence of that, but I won't because I have the freedom to express myself elsewhere, and to fight back against those who try to censor my world view.

Your claim that you can't talk about certain things is absolutely wrong on its face. The fact that you talk about them and have access to other who do completely refutes your claim. Yet you rail against "such tyranny", yeah, such tyranny that lets you get away with bad mouthing it. SMH.

 

[rickyb]

You can believe what you want about journalism/journalists, but you're wrong. I agree that school and media are propaganda, but they are friendly to your views, so you shouldn't be complaining about that. I could whine about my views being silenced, as there is actual evidence of that, but I won't because I have the freedom to express myself elsewhere, and to fight back against those who try to censor my world view.

Your claim that you can't talk about certain things is absolutely wrong on its face. The fact that you talk about them and have access to other who do completely refutes your claim. Yet you rail against "such tyranny", yeah, such tyranny that lets you get away with bad mouthing it. SMH.

these ppl who speak unpopular truths are pushed to the margins of society be it foreign state news, by donation news, etc.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

these ppl who speak unpopular truths are pushed to the margins of society be it foreign state news, by donation news, etc.

Same with people who keep trying to peddle disproven economic theories. In a totalitarian system, those voices would be silenced in more permanent ways.

 

[rickyb]

Same with people who keep trying to peddle disproven economic theories. In a totalitarian system, those voices would be silenced in more permanent ways.

ahh but yours is. during the red scare ppl's careers were ruined, they had to flee the country, etc. you have a system of inverted totalitarianism where the state is secondary to corporate power. look what theyre doing to julian assange.

the media has certain parameters of acceptable debate.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

ahh but yours is. during the red scare ppl's careers were ruined, they had to flee the country, etc. you have a system of inverted totalitarianism where the state is secondary to corporate power. look what theyre doing to julian assange.

the media has certain parameters of acceptable debate.

The red scare was appropriate, the way it was handled was not. Now communists have infiltrated everything, trying to silence dissenting views, and you are still claiming to be victims.

 

[rickyb]

The red scare was appropriate, the way it was handled was not. Now communists have infiltrated everything, trying to silence dissenting views, and you are still claiming to be victims.

the left is extremely weak in america. union rates very low as well, how long has it declined for 70 years? democrat party effectively far right party in rest of the west. only notable development for socialism was occupy, bernie, and maybe BLM.

im not sure whos responsible for the silencing of views, but i know what ur talking about. but lets not pretend that this has only just started, theres been teh self censorship ive been talking about above long before that.

 

[Box Ox]

The red scare was appropriate, the way it was handled was not. Now communists have infiltrated everything

Yep. Comrade Ricky is likely already in the US, citing the Matrix in his undies from his capitalist parents’ ill-gotten winter estate.

The US Border Patrol wouldn’t let him in previously (not a joke).

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Yep. Comrade Ricky is likely already in the US, citing the Matrix in his undies from his capitalist parents’ ill-gotten winter estate.

The US Border Patrol wouldn’t let him in previously (not a joke).

It's probably the donations to the terrorist groups, er, I mean, giving back to the community.

 

[rickyb]

Yep. Comrade Ricky is likely already in the US, citing the Matrix in his undies from his capitalist parents’ ill-gotten winter estate.

The US Border Patrol wouldn’t let him in previously (not a joke).

actually that works in my favor because zub thinks youre free and i say no.

CBP stopped me because trump ruined it for many canadians as reported on in the news, but also because of my clothes in my suitcases as if having trump clothes is okay because hes somehow not a criminal because hes president. so its 2 parts stupidity on their part.

actually i did get in and went on a month long vacation in the west. took me a few tries tho. the border guards run on fear so they get false positives sometimes.

 

[rickyb]

It's probably the donations to the terrorist groups, er, I mean, giving back to the community.

which ones? btw if you've contributed to any president's campaign, then you financed state terror

 

[zubenelgenubi]

the left is extremely weak in america. union rates very low as well, how long has it declined for 70 years? democrat party effectively far right party in rest of the west. only notable development for socialism was occupy, bernie, and maybe BLM.

im not sure whos responsible for the silencing of views, but i know what ur talking about. but lets not pretend that this has only just started, theres been teh self censorship ive been talking about above long before that.

Dude, people are just like that. They want to silence others who have differing views. They like their own rights, but Don't respect the rights of others. They claim victimhood to gain political capital.

This stuff happens no matter what economic or political system is in place. It's not about the system, it's about the people. I agree that socialism and communism look great on paper, but they don't reflect how people actually act, so they fail, usually horrifically and quickly. Capitalism and constitutional/representative democracies may not be perfect, but they are more perfect.

 

[Box Ox]

actually i did get in and went on a month long vacation in the west.

Sure ya did.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

which ones? btw if you've contributed to any president's campaign, then you financed state terror

It was a joke. I finance state terror through their unconstitutional taxation. The revolutionary war was sparked due to a 10% tax rate.

 

[rickyb]

Dude, people are just like that. They want to silence others who have differing views. They like their own rights, but Don't respect the rights of others. They claim victimhood to gain political capital.

This stuff happens no matter what economic or political system is in place. It's not about the system, it's about the people. I agree that socialism and communism look great on paper, but they don't reflect how people actually act, so they fail, usually horrifically and quickly. Capitalism and constitutional/representative democracies may not be perfect, but they are more perfect.

no because capitalism so far is risking a 6th mass extinction. and thats besides the fact that its undemocratic. italy has 25000 worker coops. capitalism is turning the whole planet into easter island.

Italy's Emilia Romagna | Cooperative Grocer Archives

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The Emilia model​

The Emilia Romagna region is home to a population of 3.9 million people (seven percent of the national population). Italy is divided into 103 provinces which make up 20 regions. The regional capital of Bologna is both a city and a province and has a population of 380,000.

By 2003 the dreams of cooperators had created an impressive reality. There are thousands of cooperatives of all types in Emilia Romagna.

• Cooperatives make up over 40% of the GDP of the ER region
• In Bologna two out of three citizens are members of a cooperative
• In Bologna over 85% of the city's social services are provided by social co-ops
• Per capita income in ER has risen from 17th to second among Italy's 20 regions
• Per capital income is 50% higher than the national average
• Of the European regions, ER is number 11 of 122 regions in terms of GNP per inhabitant
• Bologna has the highest disposable income of any of Italy's 103 provinces
• Bologna has the highest per capita expenditure on the arts of any city in Italy
• The unemployment rate of 4% is virtually full employment
• 70% of Bologna's households have home ownership

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Sure ya did.

Must've been helping to start wild fires.

 

[rickyb]

Sure ya did.

yea i did and guess who paid for CBP time spent investigating me . i spoke with the immigration lawyer who keeps getting interviewed in the media about what i should do, ive been travelling to other countries and i wont fly to america till i get a new passport.

 

[rickyb]

Must've been helping to start wild fires.

always blaming the poor. white collar criminals and politicians responsible for your fire woes.

 

[rickyb]

It was a joke. I finance state terror through their unconstitutional taxation. The revolutionary war was sparked due to a 10% tax rate.

theres some ppl who do that AND donate lol

i finance state terror through taxation too.

 

[rickyb]

Sure ya did.

i even crossed with all the political clothes and bumper stickers they didnt like