THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD

[newfie]

How does the bill passed by the house address the deficit issues?

how does the dems fighting the efforts to reduce spending in the courts address the deficit issues?

 

[nWo]

sounds like you need to educate yourself. there are two parties that created the deficit . you're doing a fine job of focusing on one of them.

I'm against a bill that skyrockets the deficit. Apparently you are for it.

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

How does the bill passed by the house address the deficit issues?

Is fiscal responsibility a new concern of yours, or have you talked about it when other administrations have been in power?

 

[Box Ox]

Like it or not, the Democrats in the last four years created this. They did almost everything wrong for four years and pretended they were doing right, the party is in shambles.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/25/us/politics/democratic-party-voters.html

“Six months after President Trump swept the battleground states, the Democratic Party is still sifting through the wreckage. Its standing has plunged to startling new lows — 27 percent approval in a recent NBC News poll, the weakest in surveys dating to 1990 — after a defeat that felt like both a political and cultural rejection.”

I'm against a bill that skyrockets the national debt and guts social safety nets. That's my position. If you guys are upset by that. Then oh well.

The first priority of concerned Democrats should be to make themselves electable again.

 

[vantexan]

How does the bill passed by the house address the deficit issues?

For one thing it's stopping spending on illegal immigrants other than efforts to deport them. It's making it necessary for many on Medicaid to get employment in order to continue receiving anything. A lot of people were put on Medicaid as a means of support by the Biden administration during the pandemic and never got off it.

 

[newfie]

I'd say you've been against Congress' actions for decades then

quietly so the last 4 years

 

[Thebrownblob]

sounds like you need to educate yourself. there are two parties that created the deficit . you're doing a fine job of focusing on one of them.

Yep, both parties campaign on fixing this, and then hand the baton to the next one to go further in debt.

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

quietly so the last 4 years

So quietly that it was more of a silent protest.

 

[newfie]

For one thing it's stopping spending on illegal immigrants other than efforts to deport them. It's making it necessary for many on Medicaid to get employment in order to continue receiving anything. A lot of people were put on Medicaid as a means of support by the Biden administration during the pandemic and never got off it.

expanding on that there should have been a sincere effort by the president and congress to return to pre covid spending levels as soon as the covid threat was over.

 

[Thebrownblob]

The first priority of concerned Democrats should be to make themselves electable again.

They are doing an awful job of it. This really isn’t that hard. They are just stubborn.. It really only helps Trump and Republicans because he can make as many mistakes as he wants and probably will still win in the midterms.

 

[nWo]

The first priority of concerned Democrats should be to make themselves electable again.

I didn't say anything about Democrats or Republicans. I said I was against a bill that skyrockets the deficit. If you are for it? That's fine. Good for you. I'm against it.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I didn't say anything about Democrats or Republicans. I said I was against a bill that skyrockets the deficit. If you are for it? That's fine. Good for you. I'm against it.

I think the question is, where were you when Joe Biden was doing the same? It’s a fair question.

And if you’re against skyrocketing deficit, what party did we have to choose from?

 

[newfie]

Yep, both parties campaign on fixing this, and then hand the baton to the next one to go further in debt.

the other thing i love is the ten year plan always has the biggest reductions the last 5 years knowing those plans will be changed when we get to it.

 

[Thebrownblob]

the other thing i love is the ten year plan always has the biggest reductions the last 5 years knowing those plans will be changed when we get to it.

They love 10 year plans because they know in about three years. Everyone has forgotten what they promised and they can just do what they want.

 

[vantexan]

Yep, both parties campaign on fixing this, and then hand the baton to the next one to go further in debt.

I've never seen either party more focused on streamlining government than this administration and Trump's allies in Congress. And the other party is screeching over it.

 

[newfie]

I've never seen either party more focused on streamlining government than this administration and Trump's allies in government. And the other party is screeching over it.

i hope they're successful but there are a lot of gators in that swamp from both teams

 

[Box Ox]

The first priority of concerned Democrats should be to make themselves electable again.

I didn't say anything about Democrats or Republicans. I said I was against a bill that skyrockets the deficit. If you are for it? That's fine. Good for you. I'm against it.

I'm not for it. But all the Democrats can do is whine about it because Democratic political candidates aren't electable.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I've never seen either party more focused on streamlining government than this administration and Trump's allies in Congress. And the other party is screeching over it.

Like I’ve said, I’m all for the streamlining, but we cannot have a bill that streamline everything and then spends more on top of the cuts then we would’ve otherwise. Kind of defeats the purpose.

 

[newfie]

Like I’ve said, I’m all for the streamlining, but we cannot have a bill that streamline everything and then spends more on top of the cuts then we would’ve otherwise. Kind of defeats the purpose.

part of that is supposed to happen after the budget is passed through recissions. it does not appear recissions have always gotten us the bang for our buck.

per grok:

Historically, rescissions have been used to reduce federal spending, though their frequency and impact vary. For example:

• In 2018, the Trump administration proposed a $15.4 billion rescission package, targeting unspent funds from programs like the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) and other discretionary accounts. Congress passed a smaller $1.1 billion rescission, primarily affecting unobligated balances.
• During the 1980s, the Reagan administration frequently used rescission proposals to curb spending, with varying success. Between 1981 and 1988, Reagan proposed over $40 billion in rescissions, though Congress approved only a portion, often due to political disagreements.
• In the 1970s, after the 1974 Act was passed in response to President Nixon’s impoundment of funds, rescissions became a formalized tool to balance executive and congressional control over spending. From 1974 to 2005, Presidents proposed 1,178 rescissions totaling $76 billion, with Congress approving $25 billion (about 33%).

 

[vantexan]

expanding on that there should have been a sincere effort by the president and congress to return to pre covid spending levels as soon as the covid threat was over.

Can't remember who said it but the other day some talking head said the political reality of making drastic cuts is it would be extremely unpopular with voters. My opinion here is if the Republicans take away too much too fast while giving big breaks to billionaires it will be used against them so they are walking a fine line here. They need for sure to make cuts but maybe it's best if it's year over year instead of all at once.