THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
How do we spend our way out of a debt hole?

The 'Big, Beautiful Bill' Will "Massively" Increase Near-Term Deficits, Add $5 Trillion In Debt​

Late last week, the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) released its preliminary score of the House Ways and Means Committee mark-up of the large budget reconciliation bill working its way through Congress, also known as Trump's "Big, Beautiful Bill" (BBB). And while the BBB is inching to passing through Congress - despite holdouts still remaining especially over the size of the SALT deduction - here is a snapshot of what is in the Bill, and how it will affect the US in the coming decade.

We start with a look at the fiscal policy focus of the BBB: Republicans' slim majority and their use of the budget reconciliation process are key influences on the composition of the fiscal policy-related legislation. That said, extending the expiring provisions of the TCJA should have sufficient support within the party for enactment. Additional tax cuts, such as a domestic manufacturing credit and not taxing tips, will be facilitated by the political viability of sufficient “pay-fors”. This will likely include watered-down versions of proposed IRA tax credit phase-outs and cuts to social spending programs.

So how does one quantify the impact of the BBB: as a reminder, the Ways and Means Committee is responsible for writing the main tax code portion of the bill. Relative to the CBO’s January 2025 baseline, the JCT estimated the mark up to increase deficits by $3.8trn over the next 10 years, with most of the deficit increase ($2.2trn) occurring over the next five years. Indeed, breaking the bill down even further, of the $1.9trn of total savings identified in the mark up, the majority ($1.2trn) is realized over the back half of the 10-year budget window.
 

BadIdeaGuy

Keyboard Kenny
Staff member

The 'Big, Beautiful Bill' Will "Massively" Increase Near-Term Deficits, Add $5 Trillion In Debt​

Late last week, the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) released its preliminary score of the House Ways and Means Committee mark-up of the large budget reconciliation bill working its way through Congress, also known as Trump's "Big, Beautiful Bill" (BBB). And while the BBB is inching to passing through Congress - despite holdouts still remaining especially over the size of the SALT deduction - here is a snapshot of what is in the Bill, and how it will affect the US in the coming decade.

We start with a look at the fiscal policy focus of the BBB: Republicans' slim majority and their use of the budget reconciliation process are key influences on the composition of the fiscal policy-related legislation. That said, extending the expiring provisions of the TCJA should have sufficient support within the party for enactment. Additional tax cuts, such as a domestic manufacturing credit and not taxing tips, will be facilitated by the political viability of sufficient “pay-fors”. This will likely include watered-down versions of proposed IRA tax credit phase-outs and cuts to social spending programs.

So how does one quantify the impact of the BBB: as a reminder, the Ways and Means Committee is responsible for writing the main tax code portion of the bill. Relative to the CBO’s January 2025 baseline, the JCT estimated the mark up to increase deficits by $3.8trn over the next 10 years, with most of the deficit increase ($2.2trn) occurring over the next five years. Indeed, breaking the bill down even further, of the $1.9trn of total savings identified in the mark up, the majority ($1.2trn) is realized over the back half of the 10-year budget window.
Everybody’s a fiscal conservative when the other guys are in the White House.
 

Box Ox

Well-Known Member

The 'Big, Beautiful Bill' Will "Massively" Increase Near-Term Deficits, Add $5 Trillion In Debt​

Late last week, the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) released its preliminary score of the House Ways and Means Committee mark-up of the large budget reconciliation bill working its way through Congress, also known as Trump's "Big, Beautiful Bill" (BBB). And while the BBB is inching to passing through Congress - despite holdouts still remaining especially over the size of the SALT deduction - here is a snapshot of what is in the Bill, and how it will affect the US in the coming decade.

We start with a look at the fiscal policy focus of the BBB: Republicans' slim majority and their use of the budget reconciliation process are key influences on the composition of the fiscal policy-related legislation. That said, extending the expiring provisions of the TCJA should have sufficient support within the party for enactment. Additional tax cuts, such as a domestic manufacturing credit and not taxing tips, will be facilitated by the political viability of sufficient “pay-fors”. This will likely include watered-down versions of proposed IRA tax credit phase-outs and cuts to social spending programs.

So how does one quantify the impact of the BBB: as a reminder, the Ways and Means Committee is responsible for writing the main tax code portion of the bill. Relative to the CBO’s January 2025 baseline, the JCT estimated the mark up to increase deficits by $3.8trn over the next 10 years, with most of the deficit increase ($2.2trn) occurring over the next five years. Indeed, breaking the bill down even further, of the $1.9trn of total savings identified in the mark up, the majority ($1.2trn) is realized over the back half of the 10-year budget window.

Sounds like a great idea. 🙄
 

Bubblehead

My Senior Picture
@Bubblehead,,,, still holding your betting line?
I didn't set the line, but it was 3-1 on "no taxes on OT" and I couldn't get any takers. The no tax on tips wasn't part of the bet discussion.

I admitted I never read the bill and still haven't, but I know it is more than 1,000 pages long.

Anybody know the particulars for this OT provision, whether it is permanent or carries with it any other parameters/restrictions that would disqualify some or most full-time UPSer's?
 

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
I didn't set the line, but it was 3-1 on "no taxes on OT" and I couldn't get any takers. The no tax on tips wasn't part of the bet discussion.

I admitted I never read the bill and still haven't, but I know it is more than 1,000 pages long.

Anybody know the particulars for this OT provision, whether it is permanent or carries with it any other parameters/restrictions that would disqualify some or most full-time UPSer's?
Haven’t read the whole thing. But it is not permanent and has a lot of parameters and restrictions.
 

newfie

Well-Known Member

The 'Big, Beautiful Bill' Will "Massively" Increase Near-Term Deficits, Add $5 Trillion In Debt​

Late last week, the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) released its preliminary score of the House Ways and Means Committee mark-up of the large budget reconciliation bill working its way through Congress, also known as Trump's "Big, Beautiful Bill" (BBB). And while the BBB is inching to passing through Congress - despite holdouts still remaining especially over the size of the SALT deduction - here is a snapshot of what is in the Bill, and how it will affect the US in the coming decade.

We start with a look at the fiscal policy focus of the BBB: Republicans' slim majority and their use of the budget reconciliation process are key influences on the composition of the fiscal policy-related legislation. That said, extending the expiring provisions of the TCJA should have sufficient support within the party for enactment. Additional tax cuts, such as a domestic manufacturing credit and not taxing tips, will be facilitated by the political viability of sufficient “pay-fors”. This will likely include watered-down versions of proposed IRA tax credit phase-outs and cuts to social spending programs.

So how does one quantify the impact of the BBB: as a reminder, the Ways and Means Committee is responsible for writing the main tax code portion of the bill. Relative to the CBO’s January 2025 baseline, the JCT estimated the mark up to increase deficits by $3.8trn over the next 10 years, with most of the deficit increase ($2.2trn) occurring over the next five years. Indeed, breaking the bill down even further, of the $1.9trn of total savings identified in the mark up, the majority ($1.2trn) is realized over the back half of the 10-year budget window.
I don't know how they came up with this i keep looking but cant find a total spending plan by year for the new bil.. once you do that then you can figure out how much revenue you're taking in and what you're spending with it. I wish when they do this type of estimate they would just itemize it by section so we can see how they came up with the estimate.
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
I didn't set the line, but it was 3-1 on "no taxes on OT" and I couldn't get any takers. The no tax on tips wasn't part of the bet discussion.

I admitted I never read the bill and still haven't, but I know it is more than 1,000 pages long.

Anybody know the particulars for this OT provision, whether it is permanent or carries with it any other parameters/restrictions that would disqualify some or most full-time UPSer's?
I've seen a 25 k cap on the no tax on tips, 4 k on the social security tax. Have not found anything on the overtime provision.
 

Box Ox

Well-Known Member

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
I don't know how they came up with this i keep looking but cant find a total spending plan by year for the new bil.. once you do that then you can figure out how much revenue you're taking in and what you're spending with it. I wish when they do this type of estimate they would just itemize it by section so we can see how they came up with the estimate.
 
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