so in the 1990s bill clinton pushed the dems right of centre, which drove republicans to the far right.
as far as what influence bernie and AOC are having on the party, maybe dems are centrists now by american standards.
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as far as what influence bernie and AOC are having on the party, maybe dems are centrists now by american standards.
no no liberals are the political centre. they carry out some reforms on capitalist excess. look up chomsky on liberals. thing is liberals dont do that anymore in america; theyve been corrupted starting with bill clinton.
yea im not really sure where i stand on govt. i am very weary of power, be it concentrated in the workplace or in the govt. we defintely need an economic revolution to give power to workers not hte govt and not the capitalists.
sailfish
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Lol! The Overton window has been moved so far left, Joe Biden is considered moderate.
joe biden is a right winger. but he puts his finger to the wind and says what will get him elected. hillary did the same in 2016. most politicians will do this including trump, thats how power actually works.
zubenelgenubi
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What makes workers better and handling power? Once workers get power, what stops them from becoming the government or capitalists?
workers collectively owning and running the company is not capitalism its economic democracy, one worker 1 vote.
workers are better at handling power vs capitalism because worker run enterprises are more likely to succeed than capitalist ones. please look up worker cooperatives
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
Capital is money, which is itself just a store of value that has been accumulated through effort, and tools/equipment. Capitalism is using money and tools to add value to resources to increase wealth. How do workers get to the point where they collectively own a company? Do they take it from others by force, or do they pool their capital to purchase it? The answer to that question may shed some light on the differences in our world views.
I have never had an issue with co-ops. But they are not an alternative to capitalism, they are an alternative to standard corporate structure. I don't know that I agree that they are more likely to succeed than other companies, if that were the case, they would be more common. But maybe they are on the rise?
zubenelgenubi
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Coronavirus spread by asymptomatic people 'appears to be rare,' WHO official says
The spread of Covid-19 by someone who is not showing symptoms appears to be rare, Maria Van Kerkhove, the World Health Organization's technical lead for coronavirus response and head of the emerging diseases and zoonoses unit, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday.
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Old Man Jingles
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They don't friendCoronavirus spread by asymptomatic people 'appears to be rare,' WHO official says
The spread of Covid-19 by someone who is not showing symptoms appears to be rare, Maria Van Kerkhove, the World Health Organization's technical lead for coronavirus response and head of the emerging diseases and zoonoses unit, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday.
king know ... or if they do, politics obscures the truth!
Old Man Jingles
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Do you consider Corporations in the USA to be capitalists?
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
I don't consider corporations to be people, so, no. In general, the people who form corporations would be capitalists. But you can have corporations established for charitable purposes, which I don't think would meet the criteria for being capitalistic.
Our economy is capitalistic, and I had to think about this for a while, but I can't really think of economic structures that aren't capitalistic to some extent, based on the definition I gave. I guess the real differences between economic structures is how free the market place is.
I have issues with corporate structure/culture. I feel that the laws surrounding the creation of corporations remove too much liability from the individual. In some ways that's good because it allows people to be more willing to take the risks necessary to accomplish the amazing things that we can accomplish. On the other hand, it's bad because it incentivizes taking bad risks, which end up costing everyone. But, maybe that's the price we pay, and we have to take the good with the bad. Hmmmm... I'm gonna have to think about this some more.
I guess the problem is the people who are ultimately responsible for decision making get a disproportionate benefit from corporate structure, while being shielded from the consequences when they fail, while everyone else suffers.
fishtm2001
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The Real Economic Catastrophe Hasn’t Hit Yet. Just Wait For August.
After a terrifying spring spent in lockdown and a summer of protests in the streets, things are going to get a lot worse in the fall.
Not looking good for ralphlessbergThe Real Economic Catastrophe Hasn’t Hit Yet. Just Wait For August.
After a terrifying spring spent in lockdown and a summer of protests in the streets, things are going to get a lot worse in the fall.www.buzzfeednews.com
Fred's Myth
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That article was published 9 months ago, and the predictions rate of error rivals that of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and their end-of-the-world predictions.The Real Economic Catastrophe Hasn’t Hit Yet. Just Wait For August.
After a terrifying spring spent in lockdown and a summer of protests in the streets, things are going to get a lot worse in the fall.
Don’t you have anything a little more current, and reliable???
