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I am not thankful for $3.93....unless the alternative is $7.00.

Moreluck, again you inflate the reality of california.

Today, the cheapest gas in southern california is hovering around $3.65 cents a gallon. You can find this anywhere today. If you subtract the TAXES that Arnold Swarzenegger imposed on californians, you need to take off .72 cents in taxes.

That makes the real cost of unleaded fuel in california 2.93 cents right now.

If you remove the other "fees" that are being charged on a gallon of gas by cities, the real cost of unleaded per gallon could be as low as $2.50 cents a gallon.

Taxes are not a product of President Obama in california. Thanks to your republican governor, taxes on a gallon of gas has to continually climb to maintain a certain dollar amount in revenue.

You want to complain? blame the republicans.

Peace

TOS
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Moreluck, again you inflate the reality of california.

Today, the cheapest gas in southern california is hovering around $3.65 cents a gallon. You can find this anywhere today. If you subtract the TAXES that Arnold Swarzenegger imposed on californians, you need to take off .72 cents in taxes.

That makes the real cost of unleaded fuel in california 2.93 cents right now.

If you remove the other "fees" that are being charged on a gallon of gas by cities, the real cost of unleaded per gallon could be as low as $2.50 cents a gallon.

Taxes are not a product of President Obama in california. Thanks to your republican governor, taxes on a gallon of gas has to continually climb to maintain a certain dollar amount in revenue.

You want to complain? blame the republicans.

Peace

TOS
Oh gee, I'm so sorry. I drive by my one gas station and that was the price of regular. I'll make up some figures next time.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
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I agree, except the 4th amendment should be the first domino. Bush took the right to privacy away in the name of security years ago.

If you cared about the constitution you wouldn't vote for democrats or republicans.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
I agree, except the 4th amendment should be the first domino. Bush took the right to privacy away in the name of security years ago.

If you cared about the constitution you wouldn't vote for democrats or republicans.

The only other choice is Libertarian which is somewhat better.
I usually vote Libertarian when one is on the ballot.
Consequently, the person I vote for rarely wins ... no Libertarians have.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
The only other choice is Libertarian which is somewhat better.
I usually vote Libertarian when one is on the ballot.
Consequently, the person I vote for rarely wins ... no Libertarians have.

It is funny in a way how Libertarians who used to lean to left and still do on many issues find themselves teaming up with Republicans (even Tea Party) more than they side with Democrats.
 

roadrunner2012

Four hours in the mod queue for a news link
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It is funny in a way how Libertarians who used to lean to left and still do on many issues find themselves teaming up with Republicans (even Tea Party) more than they side with Democrats.
I doubt Hoax was ever a left leaning anything, unless he stumbled to the left coming out of the Vortex.

Very few Libertarians that frequent this board of of the Chomsky wing, let alone left leaning at all.

Left wing Libertarians would abhor the 'Tea Party', hell most true Libertarians would as well. The Tea party is an extension of the John Birch Society consisting of easily duped rabble-rousers.

In any case, I've yet to see any evidence of a functioning Libertarian anything, let alone country.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
It is funny in a way how Libertarians who used to lean to left and still do on many issues find themselves teaming up with Republicans (even Tea Party) more than they side with Democrats.

When you really understand the history of this movement starting with Treavor Leach and out of the roots of the 2008' Ron Paul Campaign, it wasn't as much they teamed up with republicans but the fact that it's likely you never heard of Treavor validates the claim from democrats that the Tea Party was an Astro Turf operation. The republicans and it's fellow travelers who did not like the libertarian strain (see the GOP heads now on that subject) moved in and hijacked the movement for their own purposes. With the help of the Kochtopus too. Google that term and read that libertarian history.

Same is true of Occupy movement and how it got astro turfed for democrat party purposes when that was not the original goal. Obama himself later gave the marching orders around the country once the movement had served it's purpose and then in swift police action, was crushed. Nobody makes note of one of the original organizers in Kevin Zeese who was arguing to council with some of the Tea Party folk toward a united relationship along with libertarians but got shutdown by more powerful forces. Kevin is still open to parley and offers from time to time but he runs into the same stiff necks on his side of the street as there are on the other. Liberal feminist Naomi Wolf soldiered on and not only reached out to some Tea Party groups but even spoke to some and publicly defended them.

If you expect to get the truth from the standard media fare or the talking heads from Fox, CNN or MSNBC among others, you won't. You gotta dig a little and you've got to hear, read and listen to both sides. This is one example below of how part of the story is never told because it doesn't fit the narrative but at the same time does Fox News come out and cover those same people so that story does get out? IMO, no it does not because if it did, the story of Treavor Leach would be common knowledge. Starting at about the 2 minute mark, listen to this lady talk to the CNN reporter and the trouble the reporter has with her because she doesn't fit their narrative mold. It's why that part never made it on the broadcast.

The irony is that Jon Stewart during the 2012' campaign was showing how even Fox News ignored Ron Paul and rightly pointed out that it was really Ron Paul who sowed the Tea Party grass and Jon was absolutely right too.

CNN Wants This Video Banned (SEE WHY) - YouTube

When you understand the historical nature of the right (conservative) being monarchists and the left (liberal) being individualists and how in the 20th century America this all got turned on it's head. If you think that conservative is about limited gov't, search the term "classical liberal" and learn something about your limited gov't roots.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
I doubt Hoax was ever a left leaning anything, unless he stumbled to the left coming out of the Vortex.

Very few Libertarians that frequent this board of of the Chomsky wing, let alone left leaning at all.

Left wing Libertarians would abhor the 'Tea Party', hell most true Libertarians would as well. The Tea party is an extension of the John Birch Society consisting of easily duped rabble-rousers.

In any case, I've yet to see any evidence of a functioning Libertarian anything, let alone country.

You might be surprised.

Incidentally, I knew Chomsky back in the 70's in the emerging field of artificial intelligence based in linguistic analysis.
He was as arrogant then as he he is now. :wink2:
I believe Chomsky and I disagree on very few points especially those related to authoritarian power, a strong distrust of centralized governments, and basic philosophy based in the classical anarchist belief in non-statist forms of society and non-coercive means of governance and self-protection. I have read most of his books and many of his essays and appreciate his persistence in expressing his beliefs from "out-there".

As usual, you display extreme ignorance of the underlying principles and flow of history.
You probably think Chomsky supports Obama more than Bush Jr ... or more aptly, Chomsky hates Obama less than he does Bush.

​Carry on grasshopper.

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I see wkmac started schooling you while I was replying.
As usual wkmac gets it.
 
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Catatonic

Nine Lives
It is funny in a way how Libertarians who used to lean to left and still do on many issues find themselves teaming up with Republicans (even Tea Party) more than they side with Democrats.

I see the willingness of the Dems to coercively infringe on my personal freedoms as being greater than the Pubs.
​Both are pretty bad though.

Speaking just for myself and not for the Libertarian Party.
I feel their vision and efforts have been sabotaged and diluted by the Pubs.
 
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MenInBrown

Guest
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Remember anything luck has wrote,or will write about is based on her opinions,NOT ANY FACTS exist in the conservative world..Oh luck who is the worst commie ,socialist,marxist ever???President Obama..that darn bastion of capitalism the stock market hit a new high,,Worst communist ever!!!!!
And what is the fact that has the stock market so high smarty?
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
Must be a securing thought to know that you consistently are wrong, eh?

TOS

Although it is true that the vote by registered voters is called the popular vote, this does not mean that you should vote for the person most likely to win the election. A truly informed voter casts their ballots based upon a review of the candidate's position on the issues and whether that position meshes with their own.

I am a registered Democrat but I vote, at least at the local level, based upon the candidate, not their party designation. Ironically I have voted Democrat in every Presidential election since I started voting in 1980 (Carter).
 
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