moreluck
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The world is full of graphs and reports of Obama being the most spending president ever......got nothing to do with a theory, mine or yours. The proof is all over the place.
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moreluck
golden ticket member
Obama, lack of strategy.......
http://townhall.com/columnists/dona..._zig_zags_reflect_lack_of_strategy/page/full/
http://townhall.com/columnists/dona..._zig_zags_reflect_lack_of_strategy/page/full/
Oooops! Your "facts" seem to keep getting bitch-slapped around here lately. Thanks, Jones.
moreluck
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brett636
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Thanks moreluck, and I will add this to it as well
click!
Jones, using the governments own fuzzy math to come up with its own fuzzy results is akin to using Enron's own accounting books to prove that it was not in any financial distress. I'm sorry to say, but your interjection into this debate has been an utter failure, and I stand by my original statement.
av8torntn
Well-Known Member
I always found it amusing that even though the national debt kept going up Clintonites kept claiming there was a surplus. In fact the national debt has gone up over 50 years in a row. If there were a surplus there would have been no need to borrow more money. The only truth here is that "fact"check.org is a very biased site that the leftists love to use.
What is even more horrifying is that our government claims we now have 14 trillion in debt. The actual number is much higher as this does not include the trillions(6-9) in debt that has been backed by Congress over the years (freddie, fannie, and sallie types). If you then add in "unfunded liabilities" that could be as much as another 100 trillion.
moreluck
golden ticket member
Apparently Boehner isn't negotiating now.....the pres. went crying to the press about how willing he was for a big deal to happen. Of course, it included tax hikes and Boehner has said from the start, tax hikes weren't on the table.
All I heard from Odrama was I was, I did , I went, I was willing to...........etc.
The first question of the press conf. was from a lady reporter.....simple question....."will the SS checks go out on Aug 3rd??" He never frickin' answered the question, but he talked for 20 mins !! He implied that if there was a problem, the Republicans would have to answer to the seniors of America and then immediately after that said that he wasn't into blaming anyone. He's a snake oil salesman! He lies and tries to use scare tactics. Whimp!
All I heard from Odrama was I was, I did , I went, I was willing to...........etc.
The first question of the press conf. was from a lady reporter.....simple question....."will the SS checks go out on Aug 3rd??" He never frickin' answered the question, but he talked for 20 mins !! He implied that if there was a problem, the Republicans would have to answer to the seniors of America and then immediately after that said that he wasn't into blaming anyone. He's a snake oil salesman! He lies and tries to use scare tactics. Whimp!
brett636
Well-Known Member
bbsam:859763 said:
The CBO is a government organization, and while it in itself is supposed to be non partisan politicians wrote the rules the CBO has to go by and they know how to twist them to their liking. This is why the CBO is usually way off in its estimates on how much a new piece of legislation will cost or how much tax revenue a tax increase will bring in. It's no difference with the surplus. It never existed. End of story.
moreluck
golden ticket member
The CBO only gets the figures it is given to work through. If all the figures aren't given, then their results are messed up. Which is why Obamacare is going to cost tons more than what the Liar said. Junk in, junk out.
Obama just wants this big deal done so he can use it in his campaign speeches. "Look at me, I saved us all !" He talked at the press conf. about a big deal.....he has no plan, only talking points. He has nothing in writing about how he will reduce the deficit. He's a phony.
Obama just wants this big deal done so he can use it in his campaign speeches. "Look at me, I saved us all !" He talked at the press conf. about a big deal.....he has no plan, only talking points. He has nothing in writing about how he will reduce the deficit. He's a phony.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
A budget surplus occurs when the government's income exceeds it's spending over a given period of time, it's really that simple and there is no (rational) argument that this didn't happen under Clinton. Mr Steiner makes his case by essentially making up his own definition of what constitutes a surplus (basically he ties it to the debt level) and then saying that the Clinton surplus doesn't meet his own (made up) definition. That's fine for Mr Steiner because he's not a budget analyst and doesn't rely on getting paid for such faulty reasoning, otherwise he would go hungry most nights. You don't have to read too much on his site to realize that if the exact same surplus had occurred under Bush his "analysis" would reach the exact opposite conclusion than it did with the Clinton surplus.
DS
Fenderbender
brett636,I feel I have to respond.I realize that this extra tax revenue would not be enough.
A also question the importance of what your ideological ideas are,considering the facts are in regarding alcohol and tobacco.
Our government is far from perfect,but I think adding fast food,pop,chips to the list of unnecessary consumables to the tax list,
is a profitable way to make money,and our government has nothing to do with what is sold in the marketplace.
I also know the mess you are in was not caused by overtaxing.
I also think that as a person with the right to vote,all the talk of children and politicians is a moot point.
The biggest hurdle you have to overcome in my eyes is that these small increases would not affect you
or your lifestyle,but at the same time would add millions,and possibly billions over time to the coffers.
I feel a brotherhood with America,although most Americans don't know or care where or what Canada is.
I have respect and admiration for it's accomplishments,and offer my simple opinions with a sincere desire
to help.
moreluck
golden ticket member
Why isn't anyone putting an end to this whacko spending.......it's a spending problem, not a revenue problem. The gov't just writes checks for this crap. When Obama was first elected, he appointed someone as a Czar to ferret out this bogus spending & fraud. Whatever happened to that guy? What has he found out? Is he still paid?
Even stimulus money was sent to prisoners and to dead people.
Stop spending money to keep a shrimp on a treadmill.
$25 billion spent and not accounted for.
White House concluded that at least $90 billion was being burned on the altar of “programs that were deemed either ineffective, marginally adequate, or operating under a flawed purpose or design.”
$100 million in unused flight tickets.
Medicare Buys Shoes For Amputees & Walkers For Paraplegics
Earned Income Tax Credit Overpayments
Redundancy Piled on Redundancy
Why isn't someone stopping this stuff??????????????????
Even stimulus money was sent to prisoners and to dead people.
Stop spending money to keep a shrimp on a treadmill.
$25 billion spent and not accounted for.
White House concluded that at least $90 billion was being burned on the altar of “programs that were deemed either ineffective, marginally adequate, or operating under a flawed purpose or design.”
$100 million in unused flight tickets.
Medicare Buys Shoes For Amputees & Walkers For Paraplegics
Earned Income Tax Credit Overpayments
Redundancy Piled on Redundancy
Why isn't someone stopping this stuff??????????????????
av8torntn
Well-Known Member
You do realize that the CBO also projected that the Bush budgets would have a surplus somewhere in the neighborhood of 170 billion dollars?
wkmac
Well-Known Member
Now wait a minute, we're all friends here and what good are friends if we can't offer advice and opinion. And not that this crowd is lacking in either one!
OK menotyou, here's what you do, put on the thong, take a pic and post it here and after we've looked at it, we'll let you know just how gorgeous that behind of your's really is!
You do trust us don't you?
Besides, I've got a 50/50 chance of causing bbsam to have a "sticky keys problem" on his computer keyboard and that alone would be worth the laugh and not that we would not enjoy looking at your bodacious badonkadonk either!
Come to think of it, why not put a tax of 1 cent a view on free internet porn and I'd bet in a years time the entire public and private debt of the entire world would be paid off!
DS,
The junk food might seem a good idea but the problem is that gov't helped create the junk food industry to begin with. Farm subsidies, drugs, american job loss, violence and even mexican illegals are all inter-connected if you are willing to connect the dots.
The only way to save the whole system is to somehow re-inflate the bubble and all the extreme spending by Uncle Sam is towards those ends but it's not working and won't. The only way out is a process of debt repudiation and it's not the first time America has gone to the rodeo .
I do agree if people want to keep the status quo, spending cuts only won't do it. Most people, even the ones here calling for cuts won't tolerate extreme cuts across the board so some measure of tax increase or most likely a reduction in tax deductions and other loopholes (an increase if you will) will be necessary to keep the ship of state afloat. I say let it sink but then I'm an extreme minority of one even here so there you go!
When they told us in 2008' that the economy was on the verge of collapse, both repubicans and democrats in kneejerk reaction and little thought upped the debt limit, borrowed huge sums of money and did whatever was asked and didn't bat an eye. Completely bi-partisan, no one questioned it for the most part. Now we're told the worst will happen, 2012' nightmare a year early and there's no bi-partisanship, so little concern to act to save the ship of state from so-called doomsday.
Makes you wonder if there really is a doomsday scenario when you think of it all like that!
Bernays and Lippmann again?
