Voting Democrat This Time

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by mthbstr8, Oct 4, 2008.

  1. mthbstr8

    mthbstr8 New Member

    Here's some info my wife found on to answer a freindly debate question. Hey, at least I know she's not spending her time dating some other guy while I'm away!

    PS, my families with Pickens no matter the turn out. With Obama, however, we're looking forward to having our views better represented in the :peaceful:White House for a change.

    Also, see her document attached:

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  2. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Vote demonrat! I'd rather piss on my own back cause at least I won't lie to myself and say it's raining.


    Voting demonrat or republicon is like going in and told you are going to have sex with 5 women (sorry ladies my example is from a male perspective) and once the act is finished you realize the 5 ladies were Mother Thumb and her 4 daughters. The truth is, voting demonrat or republicon is only Fv#king yourself in the end!

  3. diesel96

    diesel96 New Member

    Don't mind "Conrad" WKMAC mythbuster, he's ok with our country run by total anarchy....:wink2:..Some of his views are dead on though, but even with defficientcies with the two major parties and a third party not quite ready yet to have enough support to make a challenge, the realistic chioce that our country will be better off with "demonrats" than "republicons" for the time being. Now if the "demonrats" behave such as the "republicons" for the next four years, I'll be the first one to jump on the WKMAC bandwagon...
  4. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    They got a hell of a start this last week carrying Bush's water!

    I'll make a soft spot in the hay for ya so the landing won't hurt so bad!

    Seriously, I can't deny the point about the 3rd parties but the truth is all we need out of them is to pull away a total of about 30% leaving 70% for Obama and McCain to slice up. I think that alone would send shockwaves through the corridors of power in Washington especially if the total number of voters is high. Fear factor being that the next election those same independents continue, add a few more to the mix and some of the party loyalist stay home and America could see a real political shocker of an election.

    People are waking up and this past week was an eye opener for people on both sides of the isle.

    Hey speaking of anarchy, I saw this saying the other day that I just loved.


    "Now that's funny I don't care who you are!"
    Larry the Cableguy and wkmac.
  5. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Obscured by Mirrors Staff Member

    The way I've heard this is having someone piss in your ear and telling you it's raining.

    Either way, pissing in your own ear or your own back... way beyond my capability and I am dutifully impressed!
  6. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    If Obama represents your views then why not simply vote for mccain and voluntarily donate an extra 20 percent a year on your taxes? that way you can have the best of both?
  7. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    Voting Democrat? Hmmm....funny. I didn't know one was running. However, I do know that a Socialist and an Republican that many Republicans aren't too excited about are running neck and neck right now. That mythical Democrat that is running....never heard of him.
  8. paidslave

    paidslave New Member

    Just like UPS, crappy drivers get a PROMOTION!

    Library of Congress

    This article is Hilarious and if you want a bunch of laughs make sure you read it! Long but worth it........

    Mishaps mark John McCain's record as naval aviator

    John McCain was training in his AD-6 Skyraider on an overcast Texas morning in 1960 when he slammed into Corpus Christi Bay and sheared the skin off his plane's wings.

    McCain recounted the accident decades later in his autobiography. "The engine quit while I was practicing landings," he wrote. But an investigation board at the Naval Aviation Safety Center found no evidence of engine failure.

    The 23-year-old junior lieutenant wasn't paying attention and erred in using "a power setting too low to maintain level flight in a turn," investigators concluded.

    The crash was one of three early in McCain's aviation career in which his flying skills and judgment were faulted or questioned by Navy officials.

    In his most serious lapse, McCain was "clowning" around in a Skyraider over southern Spain about December 1961 and flew into electrical wires, causing a blackout, according to McCain's own account as well as those of naval officers and enlistees aboard the carrier Intrepid. In another incident, in 1965, McCain crashed a T-2 trainer jet in Virginia.

    After McCain was sent to Vietnam, his plane was destroyed in an explosion on the deck of an aircraft carrier in 1967. Three months later, he was shot down during a bombing mission over Hanoi and taken prisoner. He was not faulted in either of those cases and was later lauded for his heroism as a prisoner of war.

    As a presidential candidate, McCain has cited his military service -- particularly his 5 1/2 years as a POW. But he has been less forthcoming about his mistakes in the cockpit.

    The Times interviewed men who served with McCain and located once-confidential 1960s-era accident reports and formerly classified evaluations of his squadrons during the Vietnam War. This examination of his record revealed a pilot who early in his career was cocky, occasionally cavalier and prone to testing limits.

    In today's military, a lapse in judgment that causes a crash can end a pilot's career. Though standards were looser and crashes more frequent in the 1960s, McCain's record stands out.

    "Three mishaps are unusual," said Michael L. Barr, a former Air Force pilot with 137 combat missions in Vietnam and an internationally known aviation safety expert who teaches in USC's Aviation Safety and Security Program. "After the third accident, you would say: Is there a trend here in terms of his flying skills and his judgment?"

    Jeremiah Pearson, a Navy officer who flew 400 missions over Vietnam without a mishap and later became the head of human spaceflight at NASA, said: "That's a lot. You don't want any. Maybe he was just unlucky."

    Naval aviation experts say the three accidents before McCain's deployment to Vietnam probably triggered a review to determine whether he should be allowed to continue flying. The results of the review would have been confidential.

    The Times asked McCain's campaign to release any military personnel records in the candidate's possession showing how the Navy handled the three incidents. The campaign said it would have no comment.

    Navy veterans who flew with McCain called him a good pilot.

    "John was what you called a push-the-envelope guy," said Sam H. Hawkins, who flew with McCain's VA-44 squadron in the 1960s and now teaches political science at Florida Atlantic University. "There are some naval aviators who are on the cautious side. They don't get out on the edges, but the edges are where you get the maximum out of yourself and out of your plane. That's where John operated. And when you are out there, you take risks."

    The young McCain has often been described as undisciplined and fearless -- a characterization McCain himself fostered in his autobiography.

    "In his military career, he was a risk-taker and a daredevil," said John Karaagac, a lecturer at Johns Hopkins' School of Advanced International Studies and the author of a book on McCain. "What was interesting was that he got into accidents, and it didn't rattle his nerves. He takes hits and still stands."

    McCain, the son and grandson of admirals, had a privileged status in the Navy. He was invited to the captain's cabin for dinner on the maiden voyage of the Enterprise in 1962, a perk other aviators and sailors attributed to his famous name, recalled Gene Furr, an enlisted man who shared an office and went on carrier deployments with McCain over three years.

    On another occasion, McCain was selected to make a commemorative landing on the Enterprise and had his picture taken in front of a cake in the officers' galley, Furr said.

    McCain's commanders sarcastically dubbed him "Ace McCain" because of his string of pre-Vietnam accidents, recalled Maurice Rishel, who commanded McCain's VA-65 squadron in early 1961, when it was deployed in the Mediterranean. Still, Rishel said, "he did his job."
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2008
  9. paidslave

    paidslave New Member

    Here is the rest, crappy drivers get a PROMOTION!

    This is the rest of the same article, sorry it is so long but you will get the picture.

    Corpus Christi, Texas, March 12, 1960

    McCain was practicing landings in his AD-6 Skyraider over Corpus Christi Bay when he lost several hundred feet of altitude "without realizing it" and struck the water, according to the Naval Aviation Safety Center accident report on file at the Naval Historical Center in Washington.

    The plane, a single-engine propeller plane designed for ground attack, sank 10 feet to the bottom of the bay. McCain swam to the surface and was plucked from the water by a rescue helicopter.

    While he has contended that the engine quit, investigators collected extensive evidence indicating otherwise. Cockpit instruments that froze on impact showed the engine was still producing power. When water quenched the exhaust stack, it preserved a bright blue color, showing that the engine was still hot. And an aviator behind McCain reported that the engine was producing the black smoke characteristic of Skyraiders.

    Investigators determined that McCain was watching instruments in his cockpit that indicated the position of his landing gear and had lost track of his altitude and speed.

    The report concluded: "In the opinion of the board, the pilot's preoccupation in the cockpit . . . coupled with the use of a power setting too low to maintain level flight in a turn were the primary causes of this accident."

    Southern Spain, around December 1961

    McCain was on a training mission when he flew low and ran into electrical wires. He brought his crippled Skyraider back to the Intrepid, dragging 10 feet of wire, sailors and aviators recalled.

    In his 1999 autobiography, "Faith of My Fathers," McCain briefly recounts the incident, calling it the result of "daredevil clowning" and "flying too low." McCain did not elaborate on what happened, and The Times could find no military records of the accident.

    When he struck the wires, McCain severed an oil line in his plane, said Carl Russ, a pilot in McCain's squadron. McCain's flight suit and the cockpit were soaked in oil, added Russ, who nonetheless said McCain was a good pilot.

    The next day, McCain went to the flight deck with his superior officers and some of the crew to inspect the damage. A gaggle of sailors surrounded the plane.

    Clark Sherwood, an enlistee responsible for hanging ordnance on the squadron's planes, recalled standing on the deck with McCain. "I said, 'You're lucky to be alive.' McCain said, 'You bet your ass I am,' " Sherwood said. "He almost bought the farm." Sherwood, now a real estate agent in New Jersey, said he considered McCain a hero.

    Calvin Shoemaker, a retired test pilot for the Skyraider's manufacturer, Douglas Aircraft, said extended low-level flights are difficult in any aircraft and for that reason Skyraiders were seldom flown at altitudes below 500 feet.

    After hearing a description of McCain's record, Shoemaker said the aviator appeared to be a "flat-hatter," an old aviation term for a showoff.

    Cape Charles, Va., Nov. 28, 1965

    Over the Eastern Shore of Virginia, McCain descended below 7,000 feet on a landing approach in a T-2 trainer jet, according to accident records. He said he heard an explosion in his engine and lost power. He said he tried unsuccessfully to restart the engine.

    He spotted a local drag strip and considered trying to glide to a landing there but finally had to eject at 1,000 feet. The plane crashed in the woods. McCain escaped injury and was picked up by a farmer.

    In his autobiography, McCain said he had flown on a Saturday to Philadelphia to watch the annual Army-Navy football game with his parents. The accident report does not mention Philadelphia but rather indicates that McCain departed from a now-closed Navy field in New York City on Sunday afternoon and was headed to Norfolk, Va.

    In a report dated Jan. 18, 1966, the Naval Aviation Safety Center said it could not determine the cause of the accident or corroborate McCain's account of an explosion in the engine. A close examination of the engine found "no discrepancies which would have caused or contributed to engine failure or malfunction."

    The report found that McCain, then assigned to squadron VT-7 in Meridian, Miss., had made several errors: He failed to switch the plane's power system to battery backup, which "seriously jeopardized his survival chances." His idea of landing on the drag strip was "viewed with concern and is indicative of questionable emergency procedure."

    The report added, "It may be indeed fortunate that the pilot was not in a position to attempt such a landing."

    McCain also ejected too late and too low, was not wearing proper flight equipment and positioned his body improperly before ejecting, the report said.

    The official record includes comments from pilots in his own squadron who defended McCain's actions as "proper and timely."

    About two weeks after issuing its report, the safety center revised its findings and said the accident resulted from the failure or malfunction of an "undetermined component of the engine."

    Edward M. Morrison, a mechanic for VT-7 who is now retired and living in Washington state, said that the plane McCain checked out that day had just been refurbished and that he knew of no engine problems.

    "McCain came to the flight line that day, carrying his dress whites, and said, 'Give me a pretty plane,' " Morrison said. "Nobody had ever asked me for a pretty plane before. I gave him this one because it was freshly painted. The next time I saw him, I said, 'Don't ever ask me for a pretty plane again.' I think he laughed."

    In Vietnam

    McCain was a pilot on the carrier Forrestal, off the coast of Vietnam, when one of the worst accidents in Navy history killed 134 crew members and damaged or destroyed various aircraft, including McCain's.

    On July 29, 1967, he and other pilots were preparing for a bombing raid when a Zuni rocket from one of the planes misfired.

    The rocket hit the plane next to McCain's, killing the pilot, igniting jet fuel and touching off a chain of explosions, according to the Navy investigation. McCain, who jumped from the nose of his jet and ran through the flames, suffered minor shrapnel wounds.

    Three months later, McCain was on his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when a surface-to-air missile struck his A-4 attack jet. He was flying 3,000 feet above Hanoi.

    A then-secret report issued in 1967 by McCain's squadron said the aviators had learned to stay at an altitude of 4,000 to 10,000 feet in heavy surface-to-air missile environments and look for approaching missiles.

    "Once the SAM was visually acquired, it was relatively easy to outmaneuver it by a diving maneuver followed by a high-G pull-up. The critical problem comes during multiple SA-II attacks (6-12 missiles), when it is not possible to see or maneuver with each missile."

    The American aircraft had instruments that warned pilots with a certain tone when North Vietnamese radar tracked them and another tone when a missile locked on them.

    In his autobiography, McCain said 22 missiles were fired at his squadron that day. "I knew I should roll out and fly evasive maneuvers, 'jinking,' in fliers' parlance, when I heard the tone," he wrote. But, he said, he continued on and released his bombs. Then a missile blew off his right wing.

    Vietnam veterans said McCain did exactly what they did on almost every mission.

    Frank Tullo, an Air Force pilot who flew 100 missions over North Vietnam, said his missile warning receiverconstantly sounded in his cockpit.

    "Nobody broke off on a bombing run," said Tullo, later a commercial pilot and now an accident investigation instructor at USC. "It was a matter of manhood."
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2008
  10. paidslave

    paidslave New Member

    I's say McCain should have Experience...... he only Crashed 5 airplanes! Not bad...

    We know the top gunners at UPS TOO!

    If his life story as a Pilot doesn't sum it up for you nothing will!

    You want to give this guy a Promotion Tieguy?
  11. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    So you think you could have flown a vietnam era fighter jet better? If not, then STFU.
  12. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    Good post. the fact Osama is photogenic may be his only qualification for the job.
  13. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    Translation I'm so superior to all of you that will vote for a candidate who has basically gone through a two year selection process to get to this point. Instead i'm going to vote for some idiot that can not get more then 2 percent of the overall public behind him.....:)
  14. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    Re: Just like UPS, crappy drivers get a PROMOTION!

  15. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    Lets see mccain serving his country. Obama hiding his college years. which record is best?

    why is obama hiding his college years paid?
  16. paidslave

    paidslave New Member

    For the record Tieguy McPlain had 3 questionable airplain crashes not one.....

    Is is well known that He (barrack) did in fact serve and graduate Harvard Law school.......not like Mcplain..............

    This is what McPlain has accomplished in school;

    John McCain graduated the United States Naval Academy (Annapolis) in 1958 with a BS.
    He ranked 894th in his class of 899, mostly due to disciplinary reasons.

    Any Wonder Why he Crashed 5 US fighter planes TIEGUY? It is probably a good thing he was a prisoner of war until the war was over because he would have certainly crashed Plane numeral 6......and be dead!
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2008
  17. paidslave

    paidslave New Member

    Re: Just like UPS, crappy drivers get a PROMOTION!

  18. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Ok I see this thread is for slinging mud, so Ill chip in.

    McCain was no war hero, getting shot down and heing held captive hardly deserves the congressional medal of honor.

    What about when he collaborated with the enemy and gave up his comrades? At the 2008 convention, McCain slipped this in "i was beaten, tortured everyday until i "broke".

    Hmmm, Broke? You mean talked.

    Republicans Allege McCain Covered Up His Collaboration with the North Vietnamese While a POW

    Allegations resurface that McCain made propaganda statements and tried to keep Viet Cong records about him classified.

    A 1992 video featuring a Republican senator, Republican congressman and top Capitol Hill staffers who worked on Vietnam prisoner of war and missing in action issues say John McCain collaborated with North Vietnamese while a POW, and then covered up that involvement to the detriment of POW/MIA families seeking access to classified Pentagon records about their own family members.

    The video raises probing questions about the 2008 Republican presidential nominee's war record, especially after McCain made his captivity a major part of his qualifications for the presidency at the Republican National Convention. In 2004, the GOP focused on Democratic nominee John Kerry's war record to criticize his candidacy.

    To date, the video has been posted on a handful of blogs but has been ignored by the mainstream media. While it features Republican stalwarts on POW/MIA issues, it also suggests that McCain's war records at the Pentagon and in North Vietnam would reveal potentially very controversial details about the GOP's presidential candidate.

    The nearly eight-minute video is posted on YouTube under "Vietnam Veterans Against McCain." It begins with the title, "1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIAs," and features ex-Sen. Bob Smith (R-NH), Rep. Robert Dornan (R-CA), senate staffers Tracy Usry, James Lucier, and military family members Lynn O'Shea, of the National Alliance of Families and retired Army Cpl. Bob Dumas, whose brother was a POW lost in the Korean War, and Joseph Douglass, Jr., author of Betrayed, about America's missing POWs. The video has no author credits.


  19. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

    Another chain email. Kind of goes with my theory that the Dims try to keep people poor.

    Obama has a cheeseburger plan.
    He is offering $1.95 more a day in middle class tax cuts then McCain’s plan.
    The $1.95 is like when Caesar would throw bread to the mobs of citizens to keep them happy.
    I guess Obama is throwing happy meals at the mobs of citizens.
    At the same time, Obama will increase taxes on job creation capital investments.
    He will move money from a productivity pool to a consumption pool.
    McCain will reduce taxes on job creation capital investments.
    If you want more McDonald jobs then vote for Obama.
    If you want more Boeing jobs then vote for McCain.
  20. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Reducing corporate taxes has resulted in the loss of 750 thousands jobs this year alone..!

    Dont think the american public will go with the same logic for another 8 years!.