Well I can now say I was wrong

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by Browndriver5, Jun 9, 2015.

  1. Browndriver5

    Browndriver5 Active Member

    I really felt like UPS would always dominate Fed Ex but im starting to second guess my optimism. I hope we figure something out because they are pulling pretty close to jumping us.

  2. MendozaJ

    MendozaJ Active Member

    Do not take financial advice from Bidness Etc. Sites like that and The Street have ulterior motives.
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  3. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    FE has pretty much always out-performed UPS on the stock market.
  4. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Dark Prince of Double Standards Staff Member

    Unless it was during a downturn in which UPS outperformed FedEx.
  5. UPSClerkGirl

    UPSClerkGirl Active Member

    Pretty easy to outperform when you pay your drivers peanuts and "contract" out your work.
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  6. Wally

    Wally Hailing from Parts Unknown.

    There are wimps! We do more by noon then they do all day!
  7. STFXG

    STFXG Well-Known Member


    There's a reason.
  8. rod

    rod retired and happy

    what do they mean by "lanes'?
  9. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    Yeah, that is a confusing graphic. Without knowing the source of the data or even what it is trying to show it probably means little. Normally FedEx Ground is as slow or slower so maybe they included Surepost in with the UPS numbers.
  10. STFXG

    STFXG Well-Known Member

    What is confusing about it? FedEx Ground is faster than UPS Ground from point A to point B. I thought that was pretty common knowledge. Trains slow UPS down.
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  11. rod

    rod retired and happy

    So a "lane" is anything from point A to point B. Never heard it called that. What part of the sticks are you from?
  12. STFXG

    STFXG Well-Known Member

    We have maps showing transit times and all the shipping lanes in our network. The hub and spoke system is pretty impressive. Adding buildings all over the country to continue to speed up the system. Ground has been building the network pretty aggressively the last 5-6 years. Still no where near as large as UPS. I believe you guys still have 3x more trucks on the ground. Which explains the need for trains.

    I'm in the west. And yes, I deliver to the sticks. :)
  13. STFXG

    STFXG Well-Known Member

    And it could be called a shipping route? Not sure. I don't do linehaul. Studied international shipping a bit and that's the term for sea lanes.
  14. Returntosender

    Returntosender Well-Known Member

    A retired driver said years ago UPS VP's jumped to FED EX about several years ago.

    FED EX just raised their dividend to .25
  15. rod

    rod retired and happy

    I'm no longer one of the "you guys" (just ask upstate). I quit caring how my stuff was shipped when I retired. All I care about is that its as fast as possible (even if its ground) and it gets to me in one piece. I order a lot of stuff and would say the majority of it (if its small) l comes USPS-with Fedex Ground second then UPS last. If it is a larger item FedEx Ground usually brings it. UPS has maps with transit times also but I don't think they call them lanes--anyone know?
  16. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    Motley Fool is always pro UPS.
  17. STFXG

    STFXG Well-Known Member

    We (Ground) have lost a significant amount of volume to SmartPost. Most of our trucks go out with around 80% of the volume we did a few years ago and the truck is still full. Lots of oversized stuff. We also used to get paid a premium for oversized packages, which we no longer do. New updates are supposed to route some of that SmartPost volume back for delivery when we are already going there. Same idea as what UPS does with SurePost.

    We are getting killed with oversized though. FedEx can undercut UPS on price with those, take a bigger profit, and pay us the same as they do for an envelope.
  18. Tough Guy

    Tough Guy Active Member

    Just wait for "Orion 2.0" and all this talk will be a distant memory
  19. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    A lane is a major city to a major city. Usually from hub to hub.

    Chicago to Charlotte.
    Louisville to Detroit.
    Memphis to St. Louis.
    Toledo to Boston.

    About 10 years ago, UPS pulled a bunch of trailers off the train coming from Chicago to Charlotte because FedEx was beating us by a day in this lane. It added quite a few feeder runs.
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  20. ManInBrown

    ManInBrown Well-Known Member

    Winner. Ding Ding Ding. FedEx stock is always going to outperform ours. The pay is horrific. That's a huge factor.