Wal-mart is a non-union shop and from what I've heard, the grunt workers at their distribution centers start at around $11 an hour, which is more than the starting pay at UPS. The only difference would be the UPS benefits but there are no new hire benefits for 18 months under the new contract. So it looks like the score is:
Non-Union 1
Union 0
Hard to tell from this statement if you like Unions or not.I do mean to sound anti-union, but when it comes down to it, I guess I am. I think the idea of a union to protect workers is a good idea
Not being able to assign the best censored kisser to the crucial positions. Certain jobs are more "attractive" than others and sups cannot assign a censored kissing lower seniority worker to them if a higher seniority worker wants to do that job even if they absolutely suck at it (in your opinion) because your friend would do a better job.Not being able to assign the best workers to the crucial positions. Certain jobs are more "attractive" than others and sups cannot assign a kick-butt lower seniority worker to them if a higher seniority worker want to do that job even if they aboslutely suck at it
Most of the sups I've known are worried about one thing. Production. They want their area wrapped up as fast as possible with the least amount of misloads or missorts. I doubt that they would put the slowest worker in a position to affect hir/her production numbers. If they would, then they would be sealing their own fate. The bottom line is union or no union, if you give 110%, do your job as directed and are a productive team member then you'll have nothing to worry about. As for TSG being union, it really wouldn't affect my feelings at all. I have been out of UPS for over two years.Hard to tell from this statement if you like Unions or not.
The Union is there to protect all the employees yes even the ones who are not the best..people who bitch about unions always bring up the bad employee. what about the thousands of employees who bust their ass to get the job done? who if there were no union to protect them could and would be fired just because a supervisor didn't like the way they looked or the way they talked or the how they worked that day or didn't make the made up numbers for that day?
I think that if TSG department were in the union you wouldn't be asking this question.
Not being able to assign the best censored kisser to the crucial positions. Certain jobs are more "attractive" than others and sups cannot assign a censored kissing lower seniority worker to them if a higher seniority worker wants to do that job even if they absolutely suck at it (in your opinion) because your friend would do a better job.
There i fixed that for you.
Seniority
So your saying that a person who has busted his **s at a back breaking job for 15 -20 years with the same company should not get treated a little better then the new guy who might just be a friend of the supervisor or kisses butt a lot more then the guy who is working to put food on his table.
The union isn't there for UPS... it's there for the workers!
Wal-mart is a non-union shop and from what I've heard, the grunt workers at their distribution centers start at around $11 an hour, which is more than the starting pay at UPS. The only difference would be the UPS benefits but there are no new hire benefits for 18 months under the new contract. So it looks like the score is:
Non-Union 1
Union 0
There is a difference between 110% for a 50 year old and a 25 year old. Without seniority, the 50 year old veteran could be s.o.l. because he simply cant keep up with the young gun. And what are these so called "crucial" jobs you are talking about?The bottom line is union or no union, if you give 110%, do your job as directed and are a productive team member then you'll have nothing to worry about.
The union isnt there for UPS... it's there for the workers... Now you may question how well the union does that, but that wasnt the question...
Now it may be a strectch, but take this into consideration. I feel like the workers at UPS in comparison to others in our industry blows the competition out of the water. Im not talking about UPS the company, I mean the workers (drivers/feeders particularly. This is who the public see most). We are the best paid with the best benefits bar none. This in return, in my opinion, causes the workers to go that extra mile for the company. I know, I know some response will be is that UPS pays that wage, but the union is part of the negotiations (no way UPS pays the same wage w/o a union). I think that without being a union job, we would be just like every other delivery company. Just a thought to throw out
The union isnt there for UPS... it's there for the workers... Now you may question how well the union does that, but that wasnt the question...
Where other unions market this concept it seems the teamster mindset has always been much more combative. The teamster mindset seems to be much more anti-company give them as little as possible.
Maybe it has something to do with the "mindset" of the company they are dealing with. The "no job you do is good enough" attitude don't seem to carry over to other trades covered by union contracts.
here's what I don't see and what really bothers me about the teamsters.
Don't get me wrong. I think most of our people try to do a good job and are proud of the job they do. This is more about the teamsters union as a whole.
My father in law was a construction type unionist. His union preached pride in workmanship. Union quality at all times. They would throw "brothers" off the job who did not provide quality workmanship.
I don't hear the teamsters selling the same concepts. I see many teamsters selling the company working you too hard, screwing you over concepts to disrupt pride in workmanship and morale.
I don't think I've ever heard the teamsters try to sell pride in workmanship and I don't understand why?
Where other unions market this concept it seems the teamster mindset has always been much more combative. The teamster mindset seems to be much more anti-company give them as little as possible.
Locally, NOW, LISTEN PEOPLE, I'M SAYING RIGHT HERE IN MY LOCAL, we've seen our local be very supportive of the company. Tie, in your thread starter, you asked what the union has done for UPS. Well, I state this: The union has provided UPS with some of the best workers in the world. They've built this company up to be the largest package delivery company in the world. No, now don't jump down my throat and say the UNION didn't supply these workers. I know that! The union has negotiated wages and benefits so that has weeded out most (Note: MOST) slackers. And on that point, is it the union's job to screen employees? Is it the union's job to train employees? Is it the union's job to "crack the whip" every day over their heads? Union membership is open to almost everyone that gets hired. It's up to the company to mold them into a good worker, if they ain't already. It's merely the union's job to protect that worker from wrong practices. OK, that is open to interpretation so go ahead.