A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people --

[soberups]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

You do know, that 90-95% of the guns in Mexico came from the US (guns for drug trade, or just bought them).
Same in Canada... that's how they end up here, from the good old USA.

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Klein;

Guns are legal in Canada, and the reason that so many of them come from the USA is simply due to the fact that there are no domestic manufacturers of firearms in Canada. Therefore, you choose to buy them from us. There are many millions of legal, privately owned guns up there, as well as a long tradition of hunting. I would also point out that the most popular big-game hunting rifle/cartridge combo in Canada is the Lee-Enfield .303 British, of WW1-WWII vintage. So tell me this, Klein...are you now going to blame the British for the fact that there are so many of those legally-owned rifles in Canada?

 

[soberups]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

I don't even think this thread was particularly about people carrying guns. It did seem to morph into that quickly, though. Almost like people have some Dirty Harry fantasy about what they would have done if they had been in the situation with their trusted .357/Glock.

The thread was about one man who illegally carried a gun into work and murdered 8 people who were defenseless due to the fact that they chose to obey the same rule that the criminal chose to break.

If I were in a similar situation with my trusty Glock ( I own and carry a G26 regularly) I know what I would have done....I would have tried to run like hell to get away from there. Dirty Harry I ain't.

The fact that I am armed does not change my response to a potentially violent situation one bit. It only means that, if all other attempts to avoid or escape the situation have failed, I have one final option left to me other than groveling and pleading for my life or the life of a loved one.

It is an option that I hope and pray to never need.

 

[klein]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

True, ofcourse we hunt, and we have rifles ! That's a well known fact. Just no automatic rifles or semi automatic ones (as far as I know).
Handguns are illegal.
Those illegal handguns come from the US.

No big problem, I think the US should pick a city, maybe in Texas, like Houston or Austin, and let everyone carry a handgun, everywhere they go.
(bars, sporting events like baseball, football, movie theatres, airplanes, cruiseships, and so on).
Since most Texans believe guns save lifes.... why not try it ?

Or you can come down to the North way.... and have cities like Edmonton, Calgary with over 1 Million population, and less then 20 homicides per year, and from those only 5 max. by shootings.
Toronto with over 5 Million, might have 10 gun shootings and 25 homicides in total (average).

Too many trigger happy people in the US, isn't there ?

 

[bbsam]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Is it possible that he was a legal owner who legally carried and only became illegal when he started firing? That's the thing about guns that baffles me. It seems like the line between "law abiding gun owner" and "criminal" rests on one crazy thought followed by a tragic act.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_ct.htm

 

[pickup]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

True, ofcourse we hunt, and we have rifles ! That's a well known fact. Just no automatic rifles or semi automatic ones (as far as I know).
Handguns are illegal.
Those illegal handguns come from the US.

No big problem, I think the US should pick a city, maybe in Texas, like Houston or Austin, and let everyone carry a handgun, everywhere they go.
(bars, sporting events like baseball, football, movie theatres, airplanes, cruiseships, and so on).
Since most Texans believe guns save lifes.... why not try it ?

Or you can come down to the North way.... and have cities like Eddmonton, Calgary with over 1 Million population, and less then 20 homicides per year, and from those only 5 max. by shootings.
Toronto with over 5 Million, might have 10 gun shootings and 25 homicides in total (average).

Too many trigger happy people in the US, isn't there ?

and when the heck are u gonna see things our way and raise your legal drinking age? Oh and when are u going to ban hitchhiking up there in your country?If we wanted to do things the way Canada does, we will allow u people to have representation in the senate and the house of representatives.

 

[pickup]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Klein, it seems to me that u have more things closer to home to worrie about than what goes on here.

http://www.chavtowns.co.uk/2005/02/edmonton/

 

[klein]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Klein, it seems to me that u have more things closer to home to worrie about than what goes on here.

http://www.chavtowns.co.uk/2005/02/edmonton/

Wanted to call your duo Dumb and Dumber yesterday, instead of Batman & Robin.
But, I should have. You have proven it, once again.

That's Edmonton in the UK.
There is also another Edmonton in KY, USA, and 1 more in Queensland, Australia, besides the 1 here in Alberta, Canada.

and when the heck are u gonna see things our way and raise your legal drinking age? Oh and when are u going to ban hitchhiking up there in your country?If we wanted to do things the way Canada does, we will allow u people to have representation in the senate and the house of representatives.

As an adult (18 years of age), you're an adult. Sign your own contracts, have sole responsibilty of yourself.
You're even allowed to gamble in the casinos here as an Adult (18 years of age).
No reason to change that, unless you want to change the age of being an adult up to 21.

Hitchhiking, well, I guess we don't have as many sickos up north. So, it's not as dangerous as down south.
Not recommended, but sometimes you got to do, what you need to do, to get from point A to point B.

Your liquor law is a joke anyways.
They do drugs in school, and with friends.
They also get their booze illegally.
Can't tell me that age restriction stops them.

 

[soberups]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

True, ofcourse we hunt, and we have rifles ! That's a well known fact. Just no automatic rifles or semi automatic ones (as far as I know).
Handguns are illegal.
Those illegal handguns come from the US.

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Semi-automatic rifles are perfectly legal to own in Canada as long as they comply with certain restrictions.

Handguns are also perfectly legal to own in Canada, with some restrictions.

Klein, perhaps you should do some basic research regarding the gun laws in your own country before you try to represent your statements as facts. I dont even live there, and apparently I know far more about Canadian gun laws than you do.

There is this new thing for computers called Google. You should give it a try sometime.

 

[soberups]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Is it possible that he was a legal owner who legally carried and only became illegal when he started firing? That's the thing about guns that baffles me. It seems like the line between "law abiding gun owner" and "criminal" rests on one crazy thought followed by a tragic act.

Lets change the items being discussed from "guns" to "cars and alcohol"

Is it possible that he was a legal driver who legally bought alcohol and only became illegal when he started drinking and driving? That's the thing about cars and alcohol that baffles me. It seems like the line between "law abiding car owner" and "criminal" rests on one crazy thought followed by a tragic act.
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To answer both questions....yes.

All the laws in the world will not stop human beings from making stupid, tragic choices.

Controlling, regulating or even banning inantimate objects such as cars, guns, and alcoholic beverages will never change the fact that a certain percentage of the population will always obtain and misuse these items, sometimes with deadly consequences.

Its one of the inevitable side effects of living in a "free" society. The freedom to make individual choices for ourselves includes the freedom to make bad ones.

We would undoubtedly be much "safer" if we lived in a society where our government made all of those choices for us and where potentially dangerous items and activities such as guns, cars, alcoholic beverages, knives, swimming, skydiving, mountain climbing, tobacco, sugar, caffiene, fast food and premarital sex were all prohibited.

Safer though it may be.... that just isnt the type of society I want to live in.

 

[pickup]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Wanted to call your duo Dumb and Dumber yesterday, instead of Batman & Robin.
But, I should have. You have proven it, once again.

That's Edmonton in the UK.

Damn it!!!!!!

 

[pickup]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Did I get the right Edmonton this time?

Dear Lord, this sort of nonsense has been going on since 2008 , when are u deadmontonians going to close this dump down?

http://www.edmonton.ca/city_government/news/city-asked-to-shut-down-site-o.aspx

 

[klein]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Did I get the right Edmonton this time?

Dear Lord, this sort of nonsense has been going on since 2008 , when are u deadmontonians going to close this dump down?

http://www.edmonton.ca/city_government/news/city-asked-to-shut-down-site-o.aspx

Done !

News Edmonton


Bar closes doors for good

 

[pickup]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Done !

News Edmonton



Bar closes doors for good

About time. I see the business decided to close itself , not the government. So where are u drinking now?

 

[stevetheupsguy]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

No, you're absoultly right. Same as the Taliban.
Got weapons and training from the CIA.
Can't blame them for killing americans with their own technoligy and knowhow.

Or if Russia would have been successful giving the Cubans nuclear weapons, and Fidel Castro pushed the button.
It wouldn't be the Russians fault, right ?

Yeah, for letting the Cubans mistakenly aim the nukes at Canada, whoops.

I don't even think this thread was particularly about people carrying guns. It did seem to morph into that quickly, though. Almost like people have some Dirty Harry fantasy about what they would have done if they had been in the situation with their trusted .357/Glock.

Go ahead, make my day.

True, ofcourse we hunt, and we have rifles ! That's a well known fact. Just no automatic rifles or semi automatic ones (as far as I know).
Handguns are illegal.
Those illegal handguns come from the US.

No big problem, I think the US should pick a city, maybe in Texas, like Houston or Austin, and let everyone carry a handgun, everywhere they go.
(bars, sporting events like baseball, football, movie theatres, airplanes, cruiseships, and so on).
Since most Texans believe guns save lifes.... why not try it ?

Or you can come down to the North way.... and have cities like Edmonton, Calgary with over 1 Million population, and less then 20 homicides per year, and from those only 5 max. by shootings.
Toronto with over 5 Million, might have 10 gun shootings and 25 homicides in total (average).

Too many trigger happy people in the US, isn't there ?

We're free to aplly for a carry permit in most states here in the U.S., that's not the problem. The problem is when the Canadian black market gets ahold of our weapons and misuses them.

There, I hope that's enough misinformation for you. I mean if you can creat BS, I may as well throw some back at you.

Wanted to call your duo Dumb and Dumber yesterday, instead of Batman & Robin.
But, I should have. You have proven it, once again.

That's Edmonton in the UK.
There is also another Edmonton in KY, USA, and 1 more in Queensland, Australia, besides the 1 here in Alberta, Canada.



As an adult (18 years of age), you're an adult. Sign your own contracts, have sole responsibilty of yourself.
You're even allowed to gamble in the casinos here as an Adult (18 years of age).
No reason to change that, unless you want to change the age of being an adult up to 21.

Hitchhiking, well, I guess we don't have as many sickos up north. So, it's not as dangerous as down south.
Not recommended, but sometimes you got to do, what you need to do, to get from point A to point B.

Your liquor law is a joke anyways.
They do drugs in school, and with friends.
They also get their booze illegally.
Can't tell me that age restriction stops them.

I guess there's no underage drinking/drug use, teen sex or people living off the system in Canada.

 

[soberups]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

No big problem, I think the US should pick a city, maybe in Texas, like Houston or Austin, and let everyone carry a handgun, everywhere they go (bars, sporting events like baseball, football, movie theatres, airplanes, cruiseships, and so on). Since most Texans believe guns save lifes.... why not try it ?

Everyone in the state of Vermont who is not a convicted criminal is allowed to carry a concealed handgun. No permit is required. Vermont also has one of the lowest violent crime rates in the United States. What a coincidence!! And they just happen to share a border with Canada...along with Alaska, which also has a low crime rate and which also allows the carry of concealed handguns without a permit.
You better pack up and move, Klein...you are right across the border from a bunch of crazy Americans who freely pack heat!

 

[klein]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Tell me something new, most of all the northern states have less crime then in the south.
Look up Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Maine, compared to the southern states, such as California, Texas, Arizona, Florida.

In the north, people can still live with unlocked doors to the most part.
Different society.

I never been to Vermount, but would be kinda neat to see all those folks wandering everwhere thru out their towns and cities with guns.

Oh, and just looked it up, their murder rate is still over 6 per 100.000 (almost tripple then Canada's).

If we had 6 per 100.000, that would be disaterous for any of our cities !
Would give Edmonton 60 per year, instead of the average of 15-20.

That would suck !

And, I'm just comparing Canada's cities with all of wide and open Vermounth.
Nothing to brag about there, that makes me think guns are safe.

 

[bbsam]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Lets change the items being discussed from "guns" to "cars and alcohol"

Is it possible that he was a legal driver who legally bought alcohol and only became illegal when he started drinking and driving? That's the thing about cars and alcohol that baffles me. It seems like the line between "law abiding car owner" and "criminal" rests on one crazy thought followed by a tragic act.
------------------------------------------------------

To answer both questions....yes.

All the laws in the world will not stop human beings from making stupid, tragic choices.

Controlling, regulating or even banning inantimate objects such as cars, guns, and alcoholic beverages will never change the fact that a certain percentage of the population will always obtain and misuse these items, sometimes with deadly consequences.

Its one of the inevitable side effects of living in a "free" society. The freedom to make individual choices for ourselves includes the freedom to make bad ones.

We would undoubtedly be much "safer" if we lived in a society where our government made all of those choices for us and where potentially dangerous items and activities such as guns, cars, alcoholic beverages, knives, swimming, skydiving, mountain climbing, tobacco, sugar, caffiene, fast food and premarital sex were all prohibited.

Safer though it may be.... that just isnt the type of society I want to live in.

But I'm not about banning guns. I'm more trying to understand sentiments like, "you're taking the guns away from law-abiding citizens". I don't see that happening. And if we use your analogy, then regulation of fire-arms and restriction to their use is perfectly laudable. Who is going to say that folks have the right to drink and drive? Almost noone (klein maybe). In your analogy the state should even have the right to stop every vehicle coming out of a bar's parking lot at 3am and searching for drunk drivers. Why? Because the desire for freedom on one hand and security on the other are going to differ among individuals. An individual's right to make a bad decision shouldn't put my life and the welfare of my family in jeaprody, should it? I didn't stop drinking fifteen years ago, get married, have a wonderful family, and become a productive member of society just to get wiped out by some drunken slob too concerned with having a good time, did I? That's where thoughtful regulation comes in. I agree that tragedies will happen and legislation will never prevent all of them. But it is hard for me to believe that less regulation would result in less drunk driving and fewer alcohol related deaths. Can you imaging no drunk driving laws? That, while being more free, is not the society I would want to live in.

 

[stevetheupsguy]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Tell me something new, most of all the northern states have less crime then in the south.
Look up Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Maine, compared to the southern states, such as California, Texas, Arizona, Florida.

In the north, people can still live with unlocked doors to the most part.
Different society.

I never been to Vermount, but would be kinda neat to see all those folks wandering everwhere thru out their towns and cities with guns.

Oh, and just looked it up, their murder rate is still over 6 per 100.000 (almost tripple then Canada's).

If we had 6 per 100.000, that would be disaterous for any of our cities !
Would give Edmonton 60 per year, instead of the average of 15-20.

That would suck !

And, I'm just comparing Canada's cities with all of wide and open Vermounth.
Nothing to brag about there, that makes me think guns are safe.

What's the population of Vermont compared to what ever city you're talking about? Vermouth? Freudian slip?

 

[moreluck]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

What about all those white aryans in N. Idaho ?????????