tripinkl,
You responded, criticized, rebutted, castigated me in my insistance on running trace. Fine! I don't care or get offended.
You were doing a fair amount of castigating yourself there. I was doing my best to answer your claims/questions about trace. I can understand how going off trace in feeders could/might be considered a really big deal. However, at least in our center, it's not that big of a deal. Especially since Pas has been implemented there are many routes that are not in an order that trace can be followed and service be made.
I still question why you responded with the statement that building up miles is the only thing they can gig you on, then state that it was taken out of context, it, being an incorrect statement. I say running up miles, going off trace could be contrued as being dishonest.
Breaking trace does not always mean running up miles. You said yourself that many of the drivers you know are running more miles than they were before. Breaking trace can in effect, reduce miles.
ME saying it's dishonest? NO! The COMPANY saying it's dishonest. I say again, as I have many times on the Cafe, that this company may be morons when it comes to dispatch but experts when it comes to espionage and deceit. On this issue, the miles, I was merely saying, "Be careful, they can gig you on anything they want"!
You've been around UPS long enough to know that everything they try to gig you on doesn't stick.
You say you have extensive experience to make service (as in United Parcel SERVICE)? Well, don't we all? I would like to think so. The question most times, tho, is this: "Do you want me to make service or do you want me to work as directed?" Most times anymore, you can't do both. Correct?
I believe I said that in the last two lines of my castigating, criticizing, rebuttal.
In answer to my question from management, "You know what a 9.5 dispatch is"?, you stated that you know how to make SERVICE on packages and that you never read in the contract that you are responsible for dispatch, you are responsible for SERVICE.
Again I was merely answering your "management" question. I may have not given the correct answer. I never said I was a genius. And quite possibly, given more time to think of another answer I may not answer in that way.
I say, TRUE, the contract does NOT make you responsible for dispatch but it certainly makes you responsible for WORKING AS DIRECTED, does it not?
Am I NOT directed to make service on all packages if possible?
My bid sheet says that exact thing. As I stated before, I would LOVE to give the best service possible, but for some strange reason, the company does not want to do this. Example: FDX a couple yrs ago opened up a so-called fast lane in the middle of the states. UPS vaulted into action (following FDX, of course) and launched their own "fast-lane" in the same area, matching service, adding many sleeper runs to compensate. When asked why we couldn't do that in our lane, some miles north, a major corridor for shipping, our center manager stated, and I heard this directly, "Because FDX hasn't done it yet"! How shocking!
We could very easily institute over night service from many more areas than we do now but just won't. Why? It cost too much for one, but mainly because FDX ain't done it yet. So, I know how to give SERVICE too but just CAN'T. Oh, I could take it upon myself to keep on driving, by-passing my meet point and drive directly to the trailer destination, if my hours would allow, then when I'm fired I can claim I was making service but how would THAT fly? Sure, it's an exageration. Don't ding me on THIS now!
Well, ...never mind.
You also dinged me a couple times ("maybe you should stick to feeder questions and suggestions") and ("No wonder you went into feeders") and I admit I may not have your package car edymacation but I DID spend more time there than I ever wanted or would want to again and have contact with some of my old friends there and read this when my GED coach lets me and can help me wif the big words.
I'm not sure I understand what you are implying here. Your last sentence in the above paragraph makes absolutely not sense, as it applies to nothing I said.
My dinging you about going into feeders was merely trying to say that things probably have changed since you were a PC driver. The sentence about "no wonder you went into feeders" was in response the impression you gave me that you thought staying on trace is more important than making service on packages. When BOTH are "work as directed" matters. Well, again lately, staying on trace may not be a "work as directed "matter.
Again, I point out the title of this thread, "Anybody else get paid...". The question originally was about winning grievances on this 9.5 issue. I say, go for it but don't expect miracles. You ever been in these hearings where the company nitpiks about every little nuance of your job? I'm sure you have. So have I! I know what they're capable of. That's why I say, "Give SERVICE all you want, skip your lunch, go off trace, run across the yards, jumb off the docks, sign the DIAD yourself, do everything it takes to make SERVICE but don't file a grievance on your lunch, breaking your leg stepping in a resi gopher hole, sprain your back jumping off a dock, etc.". AND, running off trace. You think you're gonna win? I hope you do, but I don't think so.
I guess we will see at some point in time.
I could go on and on about SERVICE, as you so keenly loved to throw out in this rebuttal. You talk about it taking more time to call dispatch than it does to actually MAKE service. I say, probably true. But what are the instructions?
My instructions everyday is to make service attempts on all packages. I have not heard a PCM on staying on trace in years. if ever.
You go off trace to make service a couple miles away. What happens if you have an accident? How is the company gonna stand behind you on THIS one? No verbal answer needed here, I already know.
I'll give an answer anyway. If I have a reason for being where I am, when I am there, the company should stand behind me. But we all know that if I have an accident, it aint gonna be pretty in any case.
Lastly, I DO NOT condone sacrificing SERVICE just to win grievances. BUT, by golly, you file a grievance on an issue, you better be able to back it up! OR be prepared to lose. Notice, now, (and I can see you blasting me here along with others), I said BE PREPARED to lose. Maybe you'll win but in cases I have seen here, you make ONE misstep, you WILL lose.
I do understand what you are saying.
Again, thanks for the kind words and will look forward to the next issue of, "Let's Make RACEANONCR look like an idiot"!
I never tried to make you or anyone else look like an idiot, in fact I don't think I made you look like an idiot. If indeed you looked like an idiot, it was your own doing, not mine.
