Bachelor's Degree required for FT Mgmt?

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by upser101, Nov 25, 2011.

  1. upser101

    upser101 New Member

    Hello everyone, I am a PT Supervisor for the Preload at the Greensboro, NC hub. I'm wondering if you need a bachelor's degree to move into full time management these days since that may be my best bet to go driving? I was lied to when promoted, they told me that PT supervision is a shortcut to driving, otherwise I would have never done it. I was also told that my Associate's Degree would be enough for my career at UPS, seems now that I'm a PT sup I'm finding out that may not be the case. Any help is greatly appreciated, my true goal at UPS is to be a driver. As an hourly in Greensboro, a cover driver position takes around 13 years to attain, and an additional 5-6 to get a permanent route. That's almost two decades! Please help! Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Funfact

    Funfact Well-Known Member

    Take a look at the FT SUP in your building and answer should be pretty easy to figure out. NO. It takes a lot of A kissing.
     
  3. upser101

    upser101 New Member

    My FT sup has a master's degree and she was promoted to full time specialist in 6 months. (Being a highly educated woman helped her, although she won't admit it.) On the other hand a lot of FT sups I talk to say they don't have a bachelor's degree cause it wasn't required way back when, but say now a bachelor's degree helps you. UPS doesn't change it's trucks and boxes, and boxes and trucks, experience and commitment ought to be enough to move up.
     
  4. Southwestern

    Southwestern New Member

    A bachelor's degree is not required for every full-time job, but the company prefers to promote persons possessing or progressing toward at least a four-year-degree.
     
  5. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    You'll probably never get a definite answer on this but promotion to a F/T Supervisor without a bachelor's degree would be an exception at this point in time. From what I understand, there is a real problem getting candidates for Full-time supervisor jobs in certain areas. You need to understand that about your area/building you are in.
     
  6. hondo

    hondo promoted to mediocrity

    Call me crazy, but I don't think you'll ever be a driver if you're promoted to full time management. A driver supervisor maybe; but a driver, no.
     
  7. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    You don't need a BA. I heard once you cross over to management you can never be a FT driver after that.
     
  8. brown bomber

    brown bomber brown bomber

    most drivers in my center , probably 70% had college degrees, in addition to post-grad studies.........most MGT not one had a degree ..however some figured a way to have post-grad degrees from College of UYA...several had doctorates.....by the way UYA (Up Your Ass)
     
  9. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Oh, Klein went there!
     
  10. upser101

    upser101 New Member

    I'll just kiss a** and hope for the best.
     
  11. pretzel_man

    pretzel_man Well-Known Member

    Getting a degree should be the least of your concerns.....

    From reading this post and your responses, I don't think you really want a management job???

    If you want to be a driver, go for it. If all you want is a full time job somewhere, check the want ads.

    Going into full time management without really wanting that type of work will not be good for you, UPS, or the hourly employees that report to you.

    I was a part time supervisor over 30 years ago. Even back then, it was not a short cut to driving and that was made clear to me. The rules have changed tremendously since then, and its a much longer road today.

    Did they really tell you it was a short cut, or did they say that you could still go driving (which is true).

    Management is a new career. I think a college degree is extremely important (not necessary however).

    Please think through what you really want. I have hired and promoted countless individuals throughout my career and my sense is that you don't really want a management job....

    Best of luck.
     
    Lasted edited by : Nov 26, 2011
  12. dannyboy

    dannyboy From the promised LAND

    Pman hits a lot of very good points out of the park with that post. Read it, digest it, then think long and hard about what you really want.

    In our building, part time sups used to have a fast track into delivery. Here, we hire 5 from within the hourly ranks, then one from outside. The outside hire was almost exclusively a part time sup.

    Fast forward to the current situation, there are so many part time sups at our building, you would be stupid to go that route. It takes 6-10 years for an hourly (the next few years ought to get better as a lot of drivers will be hitting 25-35 years over the next 5 years), but like you posted, twice that long for part time sups. So unless you really want to go into full time management, going part time was a fools choice.

    But that being said, UPS has a lot of really good programs for the employees to better themselves. As a part time management, you do have a lot more oppertunity to take advantage of that than a driver would.

    Best of luck!

    d
     
  13. hellfire

    hellfire no one considers UPS people."real" Teamsters.-BUG

    on a side note i heard in the rumor mill that mip is being phased out ,,anybody else hear that?
     
  14. upser101

    upser101 New Member

    Thank you to everyone for your replies and advice I'm definitely taking the time to digest it all. Not truly wanting a management job is right on the money, I really want a driving position. I feel as though I messed up big time going PT Supervision. My future father in law is a feeder driver and has a good standing with UPS, any chance him and me asking the right people could get me into a driving school? I know 2 part time sups that got 22.3 jobs in my building but it took them 14 years. :knockedout:
     
  15. upser101

    upser101 New Member

    Oh and yes they did tell me it was a shortcut to driving, they said while the hourlies will be here for 13-14 years it'll only take you 6 or so to get a driving job. Remember it like it was yesterday.
     
  16. dannyboy

    dannyboy From the promised LAND

    First off, get used to the misinformation. IT happens all the time with people that want you to do something for them.

    Secondly, your future fatherinlaw in feeders will not help. The selection quota is laid down in the contract. So unless he is a powerful BA, no way.

    d
     
  17. ORLY!?!

    ORLY!?! Master Loader

    At my building, going soup pretty much DQ's you from driving, EVER!
     
  18. ajblakejr

    ajblakejr Age quod agis

    Allow me to add to this conversation...

    B. A. / B. S. is not a job guarantee at UPS or anywhere.
    You need to want that education and you have to earn it!!
    Conversely, you have to want that job and you need to convince me that you should be hired.

    I road the drop in/drop out highway of higher education.
    I finally finished; I did it for me.

    And what I learned can be condensed into this phrase,

    “The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.”
    ― Aristotle

    Life long learning is the key to success; but sometimes it takes a degree to make it into the pile of considered applicants when you are an outsider.

    As an insider; integrity is the asset that follows you from day one.

    If you want to be driver - be a driver.
    If you see a future in management - make the move.

    Don't ask for a consensus or the approval of others.
     
  19. PackerBacker

    PackerBacker New Member

    1.) Bachelor deg. not required.
    2.) Often times, PT management is a shortcut because every sixth full time driver is "off the street" and you can apply.
    3.) Be patient. In my center, it was a seven year wait when I first started. We've put almost 10 TCDs on in less than 2 years due to turnover of all types including retirements.

    UPS is a great place to work; and it's probably worth being patient and making it a career if you've got some time under your belt. It is not the same company it used to be...but nothing really is.
     
  20. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member

    I know 2 Pt sups that went full time driving in my building. 1 of the 2 drives in my center, so it can happen. They fell under the outside hire part of the contract. 6 to 1. They had to promote 6 union guys to full time before they were allowed to go full time driving. That is IF the contract was followed.....IF...