UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Perhaps China was right (on this issue).
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Perhaps China was right (on this issue).
DriveInDriveOut
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Not giving a tax break is not the same as actively trying to stop people from having kids.
sailfish
Master of Karate and Friendship for Everyone
So what rights do they not have or are they having threatened by Trump, corporations, and lobbyists because they are women?
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Isn't it?
Welfare Moms have kids for the tax break. Taking that away would be the same, in my view.
DriveInDriveOut
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No they don't.
So you only have kids for the tax break? That's pretty messed up man.
JL 0513
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This is whole other debate.
It's not the government's money in the first place. A tax credit is simply the government confiscating less of what you earn. Gotta get this understanding correct first.
I can understand your argument on some levels. There are many tax credits to argue about. Should wealthy people get tax credits for buying $100,000 Tesla's? Absolutely not, but they do/did.
My point goes back to why are women marching in the streets?
DriveInDriveOut
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For every liberal cause there is. It's a big liberal's march but with women. The reason the turnout was so big is because trump was just elected and he's so disrespectful to women.
DriveInDriveOut
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Yes it is, and it's actually more relevant to the thread than what you were talking about.
JL 0513
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Upstate, killing future woman are women's rights?
Rights: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Rights cannot be created by government, only protected. Actual rights are far fewer than the casual collection of things talked about today. For example, a right can't cost money.
Rights: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Rights cannot be created by government, only protected. Actual rights are far fewer than the casual collection of things talked about today. For example, a right can't cost money.
JL 0513
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It's not disrespect to women. He does the same thing to men in case no one noticed. He judges people on merit for better or worse. Not political correctness.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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I'm not a Welfare Mom.
well that is true in a sense. but doesnt mean you shouldnt compare them.
i have no idea, but i think thats very much worth protesting. both trumps and clintons maternity leave proposal puts america way out of line with the rest of the developed world. the average of the rest of the world is 50 weeks or so.
this is another example of free market failure in america because what the market offers is inadequate for most workers needs.
well the economy will continue to go down the drain more or less. these corporations arent behaving rationally; they will continue to suck all the wealth from the earth and put the species at risk of extinction. we can guess trump will treaten us with nuclear war, as did previous administrations. so while these are not unique to women, some of it will affect them differently than it would a man.
sailfish
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Neither is enough time to actually raise a kid so if raising children is your goal then why enter the workforce in the first place and vice versa?
sailfish
Master of Karate and Friendship for Everyone
Like how?
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
You have kids though. You're the one who made the comparison between child tax breaks and welfare moms.
JL 0513
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4,000,000 babies are born each year in the US. 4,000,000 x 50 weeks is a lot of freaking money for no produced labor.
for example if by chance she is a stay at home mom, and the dad works, then falling real wages will affect both of them differently.
DriveInDriveOut
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Weren't you just saying we should give tax breaks to people who have kids because the kids are future workers and tax payers? Interesting.
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