MAKAVELI
Well-Known Member
All the more reason to develop alternative energy sources.
Gas Prices
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realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
For what?All the more reason to develop alternative energy sources.
To subsidize inefficient waste?
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
And how much cash welfare subsidies do the farmers and oil companies get to produce ethanol?
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Looks like you are using the dodge of "cash" to try and circumvent the reality of gasohol subsidies.
This is an excerpt from an article by the conservative think tank The CATO Institute:
Most expensive is Washington’s 54 cent-per-gallon tax break for gasohol. This special-interest loophole accounts for the bulk of the more than $10 billion in subsidies to ADM since 1980. All told, analyst James Bovard estimates that every dollar in profits earned by ADM costs taxpayers $30.
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/ethanol-keeps-adm-drunk-tax-dollars
It would be even more if Bob Dole had been elected in 1996 ... he was really deep into ADM's pockets.
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Just pointing out that SOME on here have been talking about the EVIL corporate subsidies, then say ethanol is good and we need to EXPLORE more alternative fuel sources.
That means more CORPORATE SUBSIDIES that these jokers CLAIM TO HATE.
Oh the irony.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
We are back in the low $2.50's.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Plenty of places here are still under $2.00, barely.
bottomups
Bad Moon Risen'
Good thing James Watt disagreed with your thinking. We may still be riding horses.
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
I didn't know the government subsidized research and development on the 1st cars made.
Tell me more of this revisionist history.
Im slipping or you are just ignorant of the market?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-market-holds-steady-131442151.html
TOS.
ImWaitingForTheDay
Annoy a conservative....Think for yourself
I'd say its 50/50....
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
No, it is basically a form of economic warfare that Saudi Arabia is waging against Iran, and to a lesser extent Russia in retaliation for supporting Iran and Syria. The Saudis can afford to sell oil at a loss, whereas Iran (whose economy is already being crippled by sanctions over its nuclear program) cannot.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
I love my Prius. Its the best car I have ever owned. I'm a big guy so head and leg room are an issue in smaller cars and I am perfectly comfortable sitting in mine. It has plenty of power to keep up with traffic and cruise quietly and smoothly at 70MPH in the freeway. Its a tad gutless on hills, but for an honest 45-50MPG at the pump I can live with that.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
There are better ways to produce ethanol that do not compete with food crops.
And as far as "subsidies" go, the US military presence in the Middle East and the invasion of Iraq has pretty much amounted to a 2 trillion dollar subsidy on oil...in the form of debt... that our great grandchildren will have to pay off.
If we "paid at the pump" for the ongoing costs of the war, gas would probably be $9 or $10 a gallon, which makes alternate sources of ethanol (algae, biomass, hemp etc.) start looking feasible. But that would require innovation and new ways of thinking. Its much easier to just keep borrowing money and fighting wars and bitching about $3 per gallon gas for our SUV's.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
Actually, they don't do particularly well in the snow compared to other front-wheel drive cars because a lot of that additional weight is over the rear wheels (under the back seat and trunk) instead of being over the front wheels where you want it for maximum traction. Not an issue for me, I have tire chains for mine in case of emergency but if there is any snow on the ground at all I leave it parked and fire up my 1996 friend-250 4x4 instead.
