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MAKAVELI

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The bad policy is what Bush did for 8 years. It's his policies that ****ed this country up. But you won't hear the republicans admit that or even speak about it. Instead the want to demonize Obama for getting this country back on its feet. They want to call him a socialist and a communist. Why don't you move to Cuba, China, or North Korea and find out what a real communist country is?
 

TUT

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Those are 2 different beasts. The bloodsucker is gaining income that had to be provided at the expense of someone else. The guy getting a tax break is being billed for a smaller percentage of his earnings.

38 Studio's gets 75 million to form a game company, go out of business. Fun-com won't make a game unless it is heavily paid for by grants. They move countries continuosly looking for the best handout before they shovel crap. It's not all taxes for biz, its grants, kickbacks, subsidizing etc. Bottom line it's tax payer handouts to the higher end of the food chain.

MS build a new tech center in Brazil,because they can't bring anymore Indians over due to law limits. They say there aren't enough people in the US for their needs, they always omit, there are not enough people in the US to work for what they are offering to pay. So go to Brazil, cut wages in half, have no limits on how many you can hire that way.
 

59 Dano

I just want to make friends!
I think you are being short-sighted. It isn't that policy is in question, it's the game. It's been rigged by the rich and powerful for the rich and powerful. People generally are tired of it. Tired of bailed out banks bailing out on the country. Tired of insurance companies collecting premiums and ditching claims. Tired of basically being jammed at every turn by the 1%.

I look at it like this. Ugly people complain that pretty people always win the beauty pageants.

I miss the 99% stuff from a year ago. "Don't bail out the banks!" OK! We'll let them collapse and risk the entire financial system of the nation. Disdain of insurance companies begins with the assumption that every claim is valid and that each denial is driven by nothing but greed. Those are some pretty short-sighted ways of looking at things.
 

59 Dano

I just want to make friends!
..... At the expense of someone else. The roads and bridges still have to be built. When the corporations are givin that tax break, it doesn't mean the need for infrastructure, a standing army and government programs go away. The taxes are simply passed onto the rest of us.

Being charged less is not at the expense of someone else and your taxes don't go up because Acme Inc. takes a credit. Anyone who thinks that corporations should pay more taxes to give the individual a break is an abject idiot. The money that corporations pay in taxes comes from the revenues they get from us.
 

59 Dano

I just want to make friends!
The bad policy is what Bush did for 8 years. It's his policies that ****ed this country up. But you won't hear the republicans admit that or even speak about it.

Which policies screwed us? We can look at unemployment if you wish. Bush had 33 total months of unemployment below 5%, with 24 consecutive months of it. There were 13 months of unemployment at 6% or better. That's 6 years 11 months of unemployment rates that are better than what we've had for 4 years.

I'm curious. What Bush policies screwed us?

Instead the want to demonize Obama for getting this country back on its feet.

Yep, the country is running like a well oiled machine, LOL!!
 

59 Dano

I just want to make friends!
38 Studio's gets 75 million to form a game company, go out of business. Fun-com won't make a game unless it is heavily paid for by grants. They move countries continuosly looking for the best handout before they shovel crap. It's not all taxes for biz, its grants, kickbacks, subsidizing etc. Bottom line it's tax payer handouts to the higher end of the food chain.

38 Studios' $75 million was a loan, FWIW. Funcom can go wherever it wants. If the government of Upper Volta wants to give it millions to make games, I don't care. Ain't my money.

MS build a new tech center in Brazil,because they can't bring anymore Indians over due to law limits. They say there aren't enough people in the US for their needs, they always omit, there are not enough people in the US to work for what they are offering to pay. So go to Brazil, cut wages in half, have no limits on how many you can hire that way.

And? What are we supposed to do, forbid MS from building a tech center in Brazil?
 

MAKAVELI

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On who's watch did the economic collapse begin ? Bush thank you very much. As far as policies let's begin with Iraq. A war that was started by Bush under false pretense that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction which were never found. How many lives were lost and billions spent unnecessarily. Those resources could have been used toward finding and killing Bin Laden. He. Came into office with a surplus during the Clinton years and his policies of tax breaks to the rich and starting unnecessary wars turned that surplus into a deficit. And if I remember correctly Bush enacted the first 700 billion stimulus adding to the deficit. My how you republicans have a selective memory. So do you really think the American people are that stupid to believe the Bush years were great for the country?
 
Well, I have finally had enough of 59 Dano. It will be my personal mission to shoot holes in everything this person says. I just can't take his b.s. anymore. From here on out I will be his personal fact checker. Let's start on his question of "what Bush policies screwed us". 1st one was his fiscal policy. 2nd one was the infamous Bush tax cuts. 3rd was his trade policy. Let's not even start with his regulatory philosophy which created the housing mess. Let's also throw in income inequality. Let's go Dano...pick out any 1 policy I mentioned and let's have a little debate. Let's see how much revisionist history you can throw out here.
 

DontThrowPackages

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I heard the "N" word more times today than I have since this time 4 years ago.
And this is why the GOP lost. Like it or not, they are the party of the Straight, white, religious males and Greed. Light a moth to a porch light, they flock to the party. They give off a perception of being bigoted and hateful. "N" word? who here is surprised? IMO, they're so bigoted, I really believe some republicans didnt even bother coming out to vote because they couldnt vote for a Mormon.
 

thedownhillEXPRESS

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Republicans have lost the national popular vote in 5 of the last 6 presidential elections, heck when Bush beat Kerry in 2004 it was by just a few electoral votes, like it or not they are already just a regional party.

I hear nothing new on fox or right wing radio that makes me think they understand what reality is.
I'm beginning to think the right wing radio and Fox maybe are part of the "liberal media conspiracy" by putting such false and crazy ideas in voting republicans heads that anyone outside of the KKK or mental patients can't take them seriously anymore....
 

TUT

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38 Studios' $75 million was a loan, FWIW. Funcom can go wherever it wants. If the government of Upper Volta wants to give it millions to make games, I don't care. Ain't my money.



And? What are we supposed to do, forbid MS from building a tech center in Brazil?


You are right, but then we don't have to pander to their needs. You want to do something... go get a loan on your own, good luck. Not picking winners and losers from the gov't end. Gov't just upholds laws and maintain public infrastructure. Oh yeah we also listen and support our own citizens, because face it they are the only reason we exist and welp, we are citizens to. You know simple things that they make complex because it has to be hard to paper trail it all.
 

TUT

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Well, I have finally had enough of 59 Dano. Let's start on his question of "what Bush policies screwed us"..

Actually Fedex employees have to thank Bush for losing their Traditional Pension. Fedex used a law created to protect citizens against future Enron's. Fedex pointed to that law as a key reason they dropped their pension, because they couldn't guarantee they could keep it funded properly under the new law and regulations. Got to love games like that, protect the citizens and in turn that becomes a loss pension benefits for said citizens. Bravo.
 

Goldilocks

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I think it's pretty funny the same people that are complaining about women being on welfare with their babies are the same ones complaining about insurance providing birth control.

Me= Hispanic, Catholic, Female and proud of my upbringing and stricked religious beliefs. God is my Commanding Officer.
 

MAKAVELI

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That's great that you are catholic and proud but please remember and respect that this is America and not everyone is catholic or shares your beliefs. Every person in this country is entitled to their own beliefs even if it is the complete opposite your own. That's why there has to be a separation of church and state.
 

59 Dano

I just want to make friends!
On who's watch did the economic collapse begin ? Bush thank you very much. As far as policies let's begin with Iraq. A war that was started by Bush under false pretense that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction which were never found. How many lives were lost and billions spent unnecessarily. Those resources could have been used toward finding and killing Bin Laden. He. Came into office with a surplus during the Clinton years and his policies of tax breaks to the rich and starting unnecessary wars turned that surplus into a deficit. And if I remember correctly Bush enacted the first 700 billion stimulus adding to the deficit. My how you republicans have a selective memory. So do you really think the American people are that stupid to believe the Bush years were great for the country?

Yes, the economic problems came at the very end of Bush's 8 years in office. The housing bubble burst and, of course, he should have known it was coming and stopped it. In fact, I recall during the real estate boom, millions of people marching in the street demanding that he slow down the growth in the real estate market and pointing out that it was bound to collapse. That's what people do during a prosperous period -- they actively campaign to slow it down because they don't want to cash in on it.

Sarcasm aside, the Monday morning QB's love to blame Bush for what happened. Bear in mind that during the real estate boom, no one was asking the government to slow things down. The general consensus was that you should either mortgage your house for 125% of its value to take advantage of low interest rates or buy an investment property with zero down and an unconventional mortgage. Maybe both. Democrats and Republicans alike were waist high in it and the attitude seemed to be to jump in and get some while the getting is good. Then the bubble burst and people who had absolutely no problem with what was going on suddenly decided (after the fact) that the president should have personally stepped in and prevented people from getting mortgages. Go figure.

Iraq. You make a move on the data you have, not on the data you get after the fact. You're risking a Type I error against a Type II error. Can't win either way.

Tax policies don't cause deficits. Speaking of deficits, would you like to compare Bush's deficits to Obama's? If you have a problem with Bush's deficits and not Obamas, then you're either so blindly partisan that you need help or you need some help with basic math.

As for whether or not the Bush years were great for the country, I have no idea. I'm looking strictly at economic matters. If you want to argue that the economic health of the nation over the last 4 years is better than the preceding 4 years, please be my guest.
 

59 Dano

I just want to make friends!
Well, I have finally had enough of 59 Dano. It will be my personal mission to shoot holes in everything this person says. I just can't take his b.s. anymore. From here on out I will be his personal fact checker. Let's start on his question of "what Bush policies screwed us". 1st one was his fiscal policy.

Fiscal policy. I'm not a fan of it, but it was nowhere as bad the current fiscal policy. We haven't had to pay for any of it yet.

2nd one was the infamous Bush tax cuts.

The ones that preceded the nearly 2 years of sub-5% unemployment, I presume. Far be it from me to question your economic prowess, but taking capital en masse out of the private sector economy doesn't spur economic growth. Unless you've got a new hypothesis that you'd like to share with us.

3rd was his trade policy.

The value of US exports reached record highs each year from 2004 to 2008.

Let's not even start with his regulatory philosophy which created the housing mess.

The regulatory philosophy that was in place when he took office? The one one one had an issue with until after the fact? Specifically, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that was passed in 1999, which is widely blamed with causing the problem?

Let's also throw in income inequality.

Different people earn different amounts of money.

Let's go Dano...pick out any 1 policy I mentioned and let's have a little debate. Let's see how much revisionist history you can throw out here.

I picked them all. Bring it.
 

MAKAVELI

Well-Known Member
Yea you are right Bush has no responsibility for the economic mess this country was in when Obama took office. Not! Give it a rest man! That is why you republicans have lost the last 2 elections. You just don't get it. The American people have spoken now deal with it!
 

59 Dano

I just want to make friends!
Yea you are right Bush has no responsibility for the economic mess this country was in when Obama took office.

You can say over and over that it was simply his fault, but you can't say what he did wrong. That says a lot about your grasp of what we're talking about.

I'd love nothing more than to sit back and blame President Clinton for the dot-com bust, which happened on his watch. I'd love to blame him for the incredibly risky and stupid business practices in that were dominant for that whole ride. It would also be neat to blame him for the illegal accounting practices prevalent under his watch. We can't forget the wide open corporate fraud and its poster boy, Enron. It would be nothing more than pure partisan hackery to blame him for those things that happened during his terms in office and for which he did absolutely nothing to stop.

Likewise, nothing but pure partisan hackery lies behind the accusations that Bush somehow should bear the blame for the housing bubble and the accompanying financial problems that followed.

That is why you republicans have lost the last 2 elections. You just don't get it. The American people have spoken now deal with it!

Nothing is funnier than watching a guy whose strongest analytical skill is being partisan telling someone that he "doesn't get it."
 

MAKAVELI

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Yea I guess you are just smarter than me and the majority of Americans. You can defend your republican brothers till you are blue in the face. The fact is there is a new movement underway and it was started 4 years ago. So go ahead and keep holding on to that old republican ideology and see where it goes.
 

59 Dano

I just want to make friends!
Yea I guess you are just smarter than me and the majority of Americans. You can defend your republican brothers till you are blue in the face. The fact is there is a new movement underway and it was started 4 years ago. So go ahead and keep holding on to that old republican ideology and see where it goes.

"My guy won so I must be right about everything!!!" LOL!!! That's some quality insight there, buddy.
 
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