Hilary Clinton

bbsam

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I was thinking more along the lines of Gitmo but I'll settle for Leavenworth. And besides, if I had my way they'd have tons of company but then Washington DC would be a literal ghost town too. Then again, a number of corporate interests would be hollowed out as well.

As Assange sez, "Crush the Bastards!"

there is some valor to the sentiment. Not sure we'd end up with anything better. More efficient, maybe. More simplified? Definitely. Less corrupt? Doubtful. We know what happens when corruption is overthrown. Massive power vaccuum. So, "crush the bastards" can be filed away with "they will greet us with flowers".
 

wkmac

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there is some valor to the sentiment. Not sure we'd end up with anything better. More efficient, maybe. More simplified? Definitely. Less corrupt? Doubtful. We know what happens when corruption is overthrown. Massive power vaccuum. So, "crush the bastards" can be filed away with "they will greet us with flowers".

Good thing Jesus never considered your advice eh?

Oh and one other thing, had Rosa Parks or MLK not ignored your point. Think about that my friend cause neither one of us would like that world. Both in a very real way did crush bastards.
 

moreluck

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So is it Hilary or Kerry that will go to Ankara to check out this bombing???

Kerry probably won't go unless they serve Heinz ketchup. Oh boy, the carbon footprint will shrink now that Hil won't be flying a million miles to nowhere.

Those middle eastern nations looked on her as any other woman in their society.........they probably bit their tongues the whole tme they had to be around her.
 

bbsam

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And by "crush" I would consider more like Iraq or Libya. Unfortunately in this country racism wasn't so much crushing d as we had to breed our way out of it. MLK and Parks were of course instrumental, but it took new generations to truly understand and accept the truth that all people deserved the same human rights regardless of race, sex, etc. Such mindsets are not crushed. They are displaced.
 

wkmac

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And by "crush" I would consider more like Iraq or Libya. Unfortunately in this country racism wasn't so much crushing d as we had to breed our way out of it. MLK and Parks were of course instrumental, but it took new generations to truly understand and accept the truth that all people deserved the same human rights regardless of race, sex, etc. Such mindsets are not crushed. They are displaced.

Depends on how one defines Crushed. Displaced or crush, the fact is these institutions are no longer present in the forms they once took nor do they have the impact they once had. I'm sure many civil rights folks would argue that the efforts of the movement "crushed" the KKK and the likes of Bull Conner and who would argue their point when you look at the results?

It is true that displacing one tyrant could lead to another but is that just a convenient excuse you tell yourself because in truth you actually like the current status quo? Even before 2008' wasn't all bad for you now was it? At least be honest enough to admit you'll accept the human suffering of so many others because you got it good in your world. At least no one can call you dishonest.
 

bbsam

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Depends on how one defines Crushed. Displaced or crush, the fact is these institutions are no longer present in the forms they once took nor do they have the impact they once had. I'm sure many civil rights folks would argue that the efforts of the movement "crushed" the KKK and the likes of Bull Conner and who would argue their point when you look at the results?

It is true that displacing one tyrant could lead to another but is that just a convenient excuse you tell yourself because in truth you actually like the current status quo? Even before 2008' wasn't all bad for you now was it? At least be honest enough to admit you'll accept the human suffering of so many others because you got it good in your world. At least no one can call you dishonest.
Oh, wk. Nothing could be truer. I (and we) will accept human suffering because I (and we) have got it good in my (and our) world. Anybody living and benefitting from living in the United States could hardly say differently.

Here's the problem. The way I wish things were, that won't happen. I believe that if we are going to war, it should be to lay complete waste and desolation to the opposing society. Carpet bombing, fire bombing of entire cities perfectly fine. We've gotten far to clean and precise about war and it's to easy to get into. So what's better? Invasions or drones? Since we are going to insist on avoiding war as conquest, which is the better way?

So it is with many issues. I prefer Obamacare to what we had before but I think single payer the best solution. I prefer robust social programs to relying on private charities. I view the education of my children to be primarily the responsibility of my wife and myself, not the school and any warts it might have. I prefer adopting a healthier lifestyle to going to the doctor multiple times a year.

So, yes, absolutely. Sometimes it's a choice between the lesser of two evils. That's the world we live in and everyone has their preferences. That you may like that you too make such choices is your priviledge.
 

moreluck

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No Word from Hillary During Benghazi Attack | The Weekly Standard


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Criminal negligence. Didn't she campaign on the slogan that she'd be ready if there was a call? Remember the 3:00 AM bit?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/no-word-hillary-during-benghazi-attack_700410.html

Wow, a trial by the weekly standard... just when did Bill Kristol, become the authority on right and wrong in war?? He's the one responsible for talking bush into two wars and torturing prisoners...

But of course, you will give him a free pass on that one, right?

Maybe you could throw in the "big black woman" again to make your points?

peace

TOS
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
"Misty water colored memories...."" ah, reminiscing !!


THE CLINTON BODY BAGS

Food for Thought

Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends" of the Clintons .

1- James McDougal - Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.



2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.



3 - Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.



4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.


5 - C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.



6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".



7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.



8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.



9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas



10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..



11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.



12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fianc�e of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fianc�e, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fianc�e.



13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.



14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas , airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.



15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.



16 - Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.



17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.



18 - Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.



19 - Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.



20 - Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.



21 - Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.



22 - Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.



23 - Barry Seal - Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was no accident.


24 - Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.


25 - Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.



26 - Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.



27 - Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.


THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28 - Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.

29 - Keith McMaskle - Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

30 - Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31 - Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

32 - James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to natural causes".

33 - Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

34 - Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:



36 - Major William S. Barkley, Jr.

37 - Captain Scott J . Reynolds

38 - Sgt. Brian Hanley

39 - Sgt. Tim Sabel

40 - Major General William Robertson

41 - Col. William Densberger

42 - Col. Robert Kelly

43 - Spec. Gary Rhodes

44 - Steve Willis

45 - Robert Williams

46 - Conway LeBleu

47 - Todd McKeehan

Quite an impressive list! Pass this on. Let the public become aware of what happens to friends of the Clintons !





 

moreluck

golden ticket member
It doesn't matter that she's not a priest.

It doesn't matter that she's not Catholic.

She can turn wine into whiney!!! (Thanks for the line, Dennis Miller)

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island1fox

Well-Known Member
"Misty water colored memories...."" ah, reminiscing !!


THE CLINTON BODY BAGS

Food for Thought

Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends" of the Clintons .

1- James McDougal - Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.



2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.



3 - Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.



4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.


5 - C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.



6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".



7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.



8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.



9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas



10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..



11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.



12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fianc�e of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fianc�e, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fianc�e.



13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.



14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas , airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.



15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.



16 - Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.



17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.



18 - Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.



19 - Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.



20 - Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.



21 - Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.



22 - Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.



23 - Barry Seal - Drug running TWApilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was no accident.


24 - Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.


25 - Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.



26 - Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.



27 - Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.


THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28 - Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.

29 - Keith McMaskle - Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

30 - Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31 - Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

32 - James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to natural causes".

33 - Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

34 - Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:


36 -Major William S. Barkley, Jr.

37 - Captain Scott J . Reynolds

38 - Sgt. Brian Hanley

39 - Sgt. Tim Sabel

40 - Major General William Robertson

41 - Col. William Densberger

42 - Col. Robert Kelly

43 - Spec. Gary Rhodes

44 - Steve Willis

45 - Robert Williams

46 - Conway LeBleu

47 - Todd McKeehan

Quite an impressive list! Pass this on. Let the public become aware of what happens to friends of the Clintons !







:happy-very: I think Monica's Dress also took a pretty big shot !!!
 

island1fox

Well-Known Member
Wow, a trial by the weekly standard... just when did Bill Kristol, become the authority on right and wrong in war?? He's the one responsible for talking bush into two wars and torturing prisoners...

But of course, you will give him a free pass on that one, right?

Maybe you could throw in the "big black woman" again to make your points?

peace

TOS



tos,

Lose the race card --it takes away from any type of sensible argument you make.
 
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