I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism

rickyb

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How much does the average ikea worker make?
so this is more proof that the idea that its a choice between capitalism and socialism was a lie. the answer is quite complex with many possibilities.

"Today in Norway, negotiations between the Confederation of Trade Unions and the Confederation of Norwegian Enterprise determine the wages and working conditions of most capitalist enterprises, public and private, that create wealth, while high but fair progressive income taxes fund the state’s universal welfare system, benefitting everyone. In addition, those confederations work together to minimize the disparity between high-wage and lower-wage jobs. As a result, Norway ranks with Sweden, Denmark, and Finland among the most income-equal countries in the world, and its standard of living tops the charts.

So here’s the big difference: in Norway, capitalism serves the people. The government, elected by the people, sees to that. All eight of the parties that won parliamentary seats in the last national election, including the conservative Høyre party now leading the government, are committed to maintaining the welfare state. In the US, however, neoliberal politics put the foxes in charge of the henhouse, and capitalists have used the wealth generated by their enterprises (as well as financial and political manipulations) to capture the state and pluck the chickens. They’ve done a masterful job of chewing up organized labor. Today, only 11 percent of American workers belong to a union. In Norway, that number is 52 percent; in Denmark, 67 percent; in Sweden, 70 percent."

After Living in Norway, America Feels Backward. Here's Why. - BillMoyers.com
 

rickyb

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Some do that by choice. Because we have too many free handouts, that doesn't give you an incentive to work to get ahead
yea i agree you have too many handouts to the banks and the 1.5 trillion you spend on war every year.

your welfare state is one of the weaker ones amongst developed economies so congratulations im sure your proud.
 
And a higher minimum wage could help with that problem.
Yes and no. Here is my reasoning behind it
8 or 9 years ago they raised the Federal minimum wage from $5.25 to $7.15 ( or something close to that) I know the owner of the local grocery store and what he had to do to stay competitive was to cut everyone's hours, too much competition to raise his prices.

What we really need is more entry level jobs that can pay more than minimum wage and we need affordable higher learning, so people have a chance a getting a good job
 

Sportello

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Yes and no. Here is my reasoning behind it
8 or 9 years ago they raised the Federal minimum wage from $5.25 to $7.15 ( or something close to that) I know the owner of the local grocery store and what he had to do to stay competitive was to cut everyone's hours, too much competition to raise his prices.

What we really need is more entry level jobs that can pay more than minimum wage and we need affordable higher learning, so people have a chance a getting a good job
In 1970 GM paid a new hire $23.58/hr. In 2015 a new hire made $13.63/hr. Higher learning was not necessary to get a good job in 1970.

Trump will not 'fix' anything.
 

Sportello

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Hopefully you are wrong
I'm waiting for plans for that wall, plans to defeat ISIL, plans to stop terrorists from coming into America, plans to open the coal mines while increasing fracking, plans to bring jobs to the inner cities, and plans for the best health care, ever.

He can't even string four sentences together in a coherent fashion. At least he has Barron to work on the cyber for him.:lol:
 
I'm waiting for plans for that wall, plans to defeat ISIL, plans to stop terrorists from coming into America, plans to open the coal mines while increasing fracking, plans to bring jobs to the inner cities, and plans for the best health care, ever.

He can't even string four sentences together in a coherent fashion. At least he has Barron to work on the cyber for him.:lol:
I guess we will find out. No reason America shouldn't be on top.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
Says the man from the over taxed country
I was in my mid 20's before I realized the majority of our countrymen pay income tax to their state. It was a concept I didn't realize even existed. For a while I was actually angry for all the suckers who allowed themselves to be cheated by their governments. Over taxed is all opinion. If you vote for it, you have no one to blame.
 
I was in my mid 20's before I realized the majority of our countrymen pay income tax to their state. It was a concept I didn't realize even existed. For a while I was actually angry for all the suckers who allowed themselves to be cheated by their governments. Over taxed is all opinion.
We need a fair tax system. But that will probably never happen.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
i noticed 2 songs on the radio talk about not being able to afford a car, another is about not needing money to have fun.

and now theres this tv show called tiny house hunters or something and people are buying compact houses less from 80 sq feet to 600.

sign of the times i think.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
i noticed 2 songs on the radio talk about not being able to afford a car, another is about not needing money to have fun.

and now theres this tv show called tiny house hunters or something and people are buying compact houses less from 80 sq feet to 600.

sign of the times i think.
The people on that tiny house hunters show are all uber hipster types who overpay for the privilege to live in a state of emotional superiority. It's a sad attempt at rebellion on society that in reality does nothing but gentrifies neighborhoods.

So ya, I'd agree that it certainly says something about the times we live in.
 
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