if no, then what?

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by foundinload, May 23, 2013.

  1. foundinload

    foundinload Member

    if the TA gets voted down how will our representatives know what to fight for when they return to the negotiation table?
  2. rudy5150

    rudy5150 New Member

    Its simple better raises for all especially part timers and better language for job security. I would love to have same healthcare but I dont see that happening that looks like a done deal. With record profits UPS could easily give us all atleast $1.20 raise a yr.
  3. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    Really, it's SIMPLE??? If they get $1.20 you'll be screaming they should get $1.30.
  4. rudy5150

    rudy5150 New Member

    Now that I think about it, your right $1.30 sounds more like it! :happy-very:
  5. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    I rest with the right to rebut...
  6. sortaisle

    sortaisle Livin the cardboard dream

    How exactly do you propose UPS covers another large raise, without raising shipping prices so they can stay competitive, while keeping their profits high so their stock prospectus doesn't suffer? If UPS was still a private company I'd be shouting like you are, but we live in a world where stock prices are the reputation of the company. Do you know what happens every time we get raises? UPS raises stops per car. This is coming from a new on car sup I was talking to who just went through training school...verbatim. They find technology that saves them money. They cut staffing. Either way, we lose.
  7. 3 done 3 to go

    3 done 3 to go In control of my own destiny

    The contract before the union sent out questioners to the members. Why they didn't this time? Idk. Unless it was a done deal before the "bargaining " started
  8. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    The only thing I don't agree with is that they raises prices to cover raises. They raise prices every year like clock work it really wouldn't matter raise or not. FedEx does the same.
  9. anonymous6

    anonymous6 Guest

    you can go on the IBT website and leave a comment on what you want improved.
  10. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member

    My view, and in this order:

    1) Protect my current health care and the part timers healthcare.

    2) Better pay for part timers, and an option to decline healthcare for a better hourly wage.

    3) They can keep the raise if they give me 1 and 2.
  11. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    Rudy, if the company was at 7 billion, I'd agree with you. You need to do the math and factor the other issues along with a raise of that size. It's not as easy as saying here is some cash. If we were not publicly traded, I'd also agree with you. Don't get me wrong, I wish we could get $10 more and hour, but I'd like for UPS to be top dog for at least another 15 years.
    Last edited: May 23, 2013
  12. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member

    F' the full time raises. Give that money to part timers. Let us all keep our healthcare.

    Everyone I talk to that is a yes vote, keeps talking about the raise. We don't need a raise. This TA is like getting a balloon mortgage. Hit you with a real low rate, then year 2, 3, 4, 5.......the rate goes up and everyone is shocked and loose the house.

    I would be happy to forgo raises, keep COLA, and keep my insurance under UPS. I know what I have. I know what it covers. I know UPS can't knock on my door for more money. I know UPS can't change my coverage. With the TA, I do not know what I will have. I do not know what it covers. I don't know when the teamsters will come a-knocking on my door do to not having enough funds to cover the rising costs in healthcare. I don't know when and what the teamsters will change in coverage.

    F' the raise. I have no desire to enter into a contract with an open end clause that can cost me more then what I got in a raise.

    Perfect world, give me a 5$ raise and keep my healthcare, but I am not greedy.
  13. cb1969

    cb1969 Member

    Both the Union Reps and UPS know what is crap about the TA.
  14. newfups

    newfups Member

    Our local sent out questionnaires at least, can't say that it did any good
  15. realbrown1

    realbrown1 Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.

    You should have finished you last statement. I'll do it for you:
    I wish we could get $10 more an hour, but I'd like for UPS to be top dog for at least another 15 years, as long as I am not the one taking the hit.
  16. rod

    rod retired and happy

    Well if you ask anyone in management who has been around for a few years they will tell you that it used to be if we got a raise---they did too. Now days I would imagine it sucks to be management because the bean counters have to hold the line somewhere (even though the company makes more money than God).
  17. Xexys

    Xexys Retired and Happy

    Don't forget the half pennies. UPS always structures the pay scale so that they wind up with the extra half cent. Half a million employees or so across the globe adds up to a nice chunk of change every single day.
  18. quamba 638

    quamba 638 Member

    I wish there were more options. Like being able to keep health care you currently have then not getting smaller wage increases....
  19. tejano408

    tejano408 New Member

    Our Reps Know That We Want Better Retirement And Better Benefits So If They Can't Maybe A Strike will
  20. AlwaysChafed

    AlwaysChafed Member

    So as long as you're OK, but forget eveyone else? So let's use up all the pension now and forget about current and future employees. I work just as hard as you and I should get the same benefits as you.