Immigration

Jones

fILE A GRIEVE!
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a redefinition of the term that some modern proponenets have tried to push on us to protect the lame and lazy by lumping all forms of government assistance into one bucket. the classic definition of welfare has always been the following:

DEFINITION of 'Welfare'
A government program which provides financial aid to individuals or groups who cannot support themselves. Welfare programs are funded by taxpayers and allow people to cope with financial stress during rough periods of their lives. In most cases, people who use welfare will receive a biweekly or monthly payment. The goals of welfare vary, as it looks to promote the pursuance of work, education or, in some instances, a better standard of living.
Food stamps are financial aid funded by taxpayers, it's giving people money to buy food. Your own link makes that pretty clear.
 

moreluck

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The Other Side

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we definitely know how shoot ourselves in the foot

Just "Who" do YOU think "WE" is??

This Syrian problem didnt start with president Obama.

The Syrian problem begins and ends with ISRAEL and George W. Bush and the republicans in the senate (Lindsay Graham and John McCain)

Israel, because it cant keep its mouth shut, or stay off of lands they dont own, came to Bush and asked them to destablize and overthrow the Syrian goverment of President Asaad. Because the Syrian government is Shia, the Iranians are close partners with Syria, so by ARMING and encouraging the SUNNI populations in Syria to overthrow the Asaad Regime, the hope was to create a new government, one run by SUNNIS, who the Iranians HATE, and create a more friendly environment for the Jews.

The Jews claim that Iran provides Syria with the short range crappy rockets that get fired into Israel daily and that the Asaad regime sponsors terrrorism. It needed the USA to destabilize Syria so they could keep their hands clean. President Bush agreed, and McCain and Graham stepped in to provide arms to what they coined as "moderate rebels" in Syria, who today are a giant part of ISIS armed with billions of dollars in american made weapons.

"WE" the USA , should have NEVER ventured into this situation. IF Israel wants to nation build, then it needs to do it by itself. IF they get blown off the face of the earth, in the process, then so be it.

"WE" shouldnt be doing the bidding of the jews in the first place.

Today we are spending billions of dollars trying to clean this mess up and it will hit trillions by the time it is finished. The further cost of this misadventure is the deaths of our ambassador and support staff in Libya, as McCain/Grahams secret gun running scheme was discovered in Libya.

This country does know how to shoot itself in the foot, first Afghanistan, the Iraq and now Syria.

All the creations of george w. bush and the Project for the new American Century.

They wouldnt have it any other way, except, it isnt working out the way they planned.

TOS.
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
Just "Who" do YOU think "WE" is??

This Syrian problem didnt start with president Obama.

The Syrian problem begins and ends with ISRAEL and George W. Bush and the republicans in the senate (Lindsay Graham and John McCain)

Israel, because it cant keep its mouth shut, or stay off of lands they dont own, came to Bush and asked them to destablize and overthrow the Syrian goverment of President Asaad. Because the Syrian government is Shia, the Iranians are close partners with Syria, so by ARMING and encouraging the SUNNI populations in Syria to overthrow the Asaad Regime, the hope was to create a new government, one run by SUNNIS, who the Iranians HATE, and create a more friendly environment for the Jews.

The Jews claim that Iran provides Syria with the short range crappy rockets that get fired into Israel daily and that the Asaad regime sponsors terrrorism. It needed the USA to destabilize Syria so they could keep their hands clean. President Bush agreed, and McCain and Graham stepped in to provide arms to what they coined as "moderate rebels" in Syria, who today are a giant part of ISIS armed with billions of dollars in american made weapons.

"WE" the USA , should have NEVER ventured into this situation. IF Israel wants to nation build, then it needs to do it by itself. IF they get blown off the face of the earth, in the process, then so be it.

"WE" shouldnt be doing the bidding of the jews in the first place.

Today we are spending billions of dollars trying to clean this mess up and it will hit trillions by the time it is finished. The further cost of this misadventure is the deaths of our ambassador and support staff in Libya, as McCain/Grahams secret gun running scheme was discovered in Libya.

This country does know how to shoot itself in the foot, first Afghanistan, the Iraq and now Syria.

All the creations of george w. bush and the Project for the new American Century.

They wouldnt have it any other way, except, it isnt working out the way they planned.

TOS.

Geez you talk a lot without saying anything. keep it simple.

other then that you basically started your post disagreeing with me then ended up agreeing with me.?
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The Other Side

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Geez you talk a lot without saying anything. keep it simple.

other then that you basically started your post disagreeing with me then ended up agreeing with me.?
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I dont agree with you at all. You are too ignorant to understand the elements involved in this scheme to destabilize the middle east. This isnt a creation of President Obama and the democrats.

While you would like to lay this problem at the feet of the president, this whole middle east scenario was created back in 1997 by Bill Kristol and his Project for the New American Century.

Not that YOU would know anything about that. I dont give you credit for having any intellect worthy of that kind of research. You are simply another "repeater", just the the other C9 of this board.

You may not like the facts, and it may not suit your agenda, but your contributions to many issues involving our government are just plain stupid.

Sorry, just sayin.

TOS.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
The Syrian situation started during the Arab Spring .
The Arab Spring was a series of anti-government protests, uprisings and armed rebellions that spread across the Middle East in early 2011.
Could you kindly info the class who was the POTUS and who was the SOS in 2011 ?
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
I dont agree with you at all. You are too ignorant to understand the elements involved in this scheme to destabilize the middle east. This isnt a creation of President Obama and the democrats.

While you would like to lay this problem at the feet of the president, this whole middle east scenario was created back in 1997 by Bill Kristol and his Project for the New American Century.

Not that YOU would know anything about that. I dont give you credit for having any intellect worthy of that kind of research. You are simply another "repeater", just the the other C9 of this board.

You may not like the facts, and it may not suit your agenda, but your contributions to many issues involving our government are just plain stupid.

Sorry, just sayin.

TOS.

I wonder if you have ever been able to confidently express an opinion without layering it with bluster and insults.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Luxury Cruise Liners Convert To Floating Migrant Housing

Despite government efforts to introduce a semblance of control at the national borders, Sweden continues to receive thousands of migrants a week, but has long ago run out of beds and shelters. Having exhausted every government building, school gymnasium, and army barracks the Swedish government is now looking to pay out as of yet undisclosed sums to charter vast cruise liners outright to house migrants.
Migrants could live on-board for a year or more while they are assessed for refugee and asylum status.
They expected to hire ships with up to 1,500 beds each, and they would be moored in the harbours of some of Sweden’s largest cities including the capital Stockholm, multicultural melting pot Malmö, and Gothenburg. The first ships are expected to be ready before Christmas.
As if being stuck on a luxury ocean liner over winter with only occasional ship to shore boats wasn’t bad enough for the thousands of migrants demanding accommodation in Sweden, the Migration Bureau is also looking to chartering oil rig platform accommodation, placing migrants even further from the shore. They believes the first such craft could be ready for migrants before July.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
TOS can you confirm this story :
Since October 2011, US law enforcement officials “vetting” Syrians aren’t allowed to ask them if, say, they’re members of the Muslim Brotherhood or any jihadi groups.
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
state department link on the refugee process , quote from that page follows the link:

http://www.state.gov/j/prm/ra/

"According to UNHCR’s latest statistics, there are approximately 15.4 million refugees in the world. The vast majority of these refugees will receive support in the country to which they fled until they can voluntarily and safely return to their home country. A small number of refugees will be allowed to become citizens in the country to which they fled, and an even smaller number — primarily those who are at the highest risk — will be resettled in a third country. While UNHCR reports that less than 1 percent of all refugees are eventually resettled in third countries, the United States welcomes over half of these refugees, more than all other resettlement countries combined."

now while commendable that we want to help the worlds downtrodden why have we decided to take on such a disproportionate percentage of the total when a legitimate argument can be made that there are many current citizens who also require our help and resources?
 
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