DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
The war on drugs wouldn't exist if we secured the southern border? Do you actually believe that?
Immigration
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MAKAVELI
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It wouldn't exist without such a demand. These criminals are smart and well connected with "legitimate businesses" to facilitate the flow of their product. Where there is a will there is a way. And that will is $ billions.
moreluck
golden ticket member
Re: migration within the country
Here is a map of total net migration across the 2000s in the U.S., with orange counties losing the most people and purple counties gaining the most. The legend is shown at right.
Net migration in total population by county during the 2000s.
[h=1]Mapping 60 Years of White Flight, Brain Drain and American
Migration[/h]
You can tell a lot about a place by who doesn't want to be there any more.
Or, conversely, by who wants to move in.
A city that seeps population over time invariably has deeper problems driving
its demographic change, like poor school districts that can't keep young
families, or weak job prospects for its college grads. A county that attracts
new residents, on the other hand -- maybe young people in particular, or
retirees -- likely has the right amenities to lure them. Maybe a certain job
sector. Or golf course communities.
In this way, we can divine some of the fortunes of different corners of the
country simply by watching how Americans move around over the years. Each year,
about 10 million Americans relocate to a new county. Map all those moves from
one Census to another, across decades, and by race and age demographics, and you
can see the Great Migration of blacks from the South, white flight to northern
suburbs, the hollowing out of Rust Belt cities and the rise of the Sun Belt.
Researchers at the University of Wisconsin, Michigan Technological University
and the University of New Hampshire have built just such a database dating back to
the 1950s. Their tool tracks net changes in population by county, all across the
country, for each decade since the 50s (taking into account estimated deaths and
births in between each decennial Census).
Net migration in total population by county during the 2000s.
[h=1]Mapping 60 Years of White Flight, Brain Drain and American
Migration[/h]
You can tell a lot about a place by who doesn't want to be there any more.
Or, conversely, by who wants to move in.
A city that seeps population over time invariably has deeper problems driving
its demographic change, like poor school districts that can't keep young
families, or weak job prospects for its college grads. A county that attracts
new residents, on the other hand -- maybe young people in particular, or
retirees -- likely has the right amenities to lure them. Maybe a certain job
sector. Or golf course communities.
In this way, we can divine some of the fortunes of different corners of the
country simply by watching how Americans move around over the years. Each year,
about 10 million Americans relocate to a new county. Map all those moves from
one Census to another, across decades, and by race and age demographics, and you
can see the Great Migration of blacks from the South, white flight to northern
suburbs, the hollowing out of Rust Belt cities and the rise of the Sun Belt.
Researchers at the University of Wisconsin, Michigan Technological University
and the University of New Hampshire have built just such a database dating back to
the 1950s. Their tool tracks net changes in population by county, all across the
country, for each decade since the 50s (taking into account estimated deaths and
births in between each decennial Census).
Overpaid Union Thug
Well-Known Member
YES! There would be less coming in. Therefore…..there wouldn't be a need for a "war" on drugs.
MAKAVELI
Well-Known Member
Doesn't matter if you put a border patrol agent every 100 yards, they will find a way to get them across. You are living in la la land if you don't understand that. Reduce demand and you reduce drug trafficking.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Believe it or not, we grow some pretty high quality pot right here in the good old USA. As a matter of fact, it's the biggest cash crop in a lot of states, it's a shame we don't tax it.
Pill Mills handing out hillbilly heroin like it's candy, people cooking meth in their basements, come on..... people are always gonna find a way to get loaded. Prohibition doesn't work, bottom line.
Drug War Clock | DrugSense Approaching 35 billion spent this year on a war we can't win
Overpaid Union Thug
Well-Known Member
The only way to end the war on drugs is to secure the border and legalize pot. Anything else is a mute point.
Which border is your concern? Poat is pretty much legal in Canada.
BTW - It's moot point, no need to flaunt mid Tn education levels
Yes, but is pot also legal in Canada?Which border is your concern? Poat is pretty much legal in Canada.
BTW - It's moot point, no need to flaunt mid Tn education levels
Overpaid Union Thug
Well-Known Member
I'd love to see what would happen if all of the people that claim the border is secure lived near it. Especially the outskirts of El Paso and any small border town in Arizona or Texas.
MAKAVELI
Well-Known Member
I would love too see all these people who complain that our borders aren't secure in the fields picking fruit and vegetables.
Overpaid Union Thug
Well-Known Member
We can't. We already have jobs and the those jobs have already been filled anyway. And how did most of those people in those jobs get into the U.S.? THATS RIGHT….THROUGH OUR UNSECURED SOUTHERN BORDER! DING DING DING DING!
MAKAVELI
Well-Known Member
Who hires these undocumented workers? And who is profiting from those low wage laborers? American citizens!!! DING DING DING DING!!! IT'S A TWO WAY STREET BROTHER!!!!
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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If there were not a demand from US consumers for low price produce there would not be a supply of undocumented workers illegally crossing our southern border to work in what most of us would consider intolerable conditions for ridiculously low wages.
Americans are too lazy and feel that it is beneath them to do menial manual labor.
The area that I live in has many apple orchards. We also have 9-10% unemployment. You would think that this number would go down during the harvest but locals do not want to do the back-breaking work so the orchards have to bring in workers (Jamaicans), house and feed them, all for minimal (not minimum) wage. The kicker is the Jamaicans who are chosen to come here think they have won the lottery-----they earn a year's wages in just a few short months.
Are you willing to pay $10 for a head of lettuce?
moreluck
golden ticket member
...and drain the system.
Overpaid Union Thug
Well-Known Member
If the border was secure they wouldn't be here and wouldn't be hired by crony capitalists! Why is that so hard to understand? Stop the bleeding and you stop the mess.
Many of these farmers and companies that are paying immigrant workers less than what they would have to pay Americans are still charging about the same for their goods or products. If the border were secure and wages were more on par with what they SHOULD be for the particular job than more Americans MIGHT take the jobs. If not they'd have to hire LEGAL immigrants that were let in. Not snuck in through our porous border. The whole point of the argument to secure the border is straight forward and every American should want it. How it affects labor and prices inside our country is a valid concern but in the long run the safety of our country, which should be the priority, would be stronger. The employers that are paying illegals wages that are less than what their competitors are paying would just have to start paying more. To me paying extra for a head of lettuce is worth having a secure border. Another thing people need to realize is that many illegals take manufacturing, retail, and other jobs that even lazy Americans are willing to do by using other people's SSNs and birth certificates so they aren't even being paid less than the Americans that work similar jobs. But again…..the whole point of securing the border is for SECURITY. All of these other things are just symptoms of that problem.
MAKAVELI
Well-Known Member
You can't have your cake and eat it too. If they are good enough to work here, they are good enough to stay here.
MAKAVELI
Well-Known Member
Regardless of where they were born they are human beings and not " aliens" and deserve to be treated as such.
