jobs that pays 28$an hr!!!!

[705red]

I understand you're being "pre-emptive" not wanting the language in but wouldn't abuses of the language, which is what I assume you're worried about, be "grieveable"?

Your right it is grievable but why go that route if we dont have to? Here in chicagos 705 we have 180 out-standing arbitrations right now, this will only add to backing the union up in the grievance procedure. Here we enforce the contract, but what about the rest of the country that has problems with the enforcement, any contract is only as good s the enforcement.

 

[705red]

The terms for using this technology are limited. What it does is provide us a means to use technology when someone is doing something dishonest. Those who go out and honestly run their route have nothing to worry about.

Tie ups has never fired anybody unjustly? And with stronger language than what we could be operating under real soon if this passes. What happen to the good ole days when management had to investigate and actually go out on the street to observe or ride with the drivers? Tie i hope ups will be giving you managers health club memberships, if not your all going to pack on the weight sitting in your office all day.

 

[browned out]

The givebacks of our raises would go a LONG way in making the fund solvent.

When I put the pension as the top issue I truly thought that dramatically reduced raises would be the way they would go. I never thought my Union would allow the kind of givebacks and concessions in work rules they have.

That, in retrospect, was stupid of me.

Me too.

I was ready for the low wage increases, the new part time benifet cuts, and even the 3 year progresion

but the hits just kept on coming

I'm down but not out

"Get up Rock; I didn't hear no bell"

Spread the knowledge

 

[Sammie]

the point i was thinking of is, were are we gonna start at making this kinda money if we vote no?

You drivers earn more per annum than teachers and cops, both of whom often have second jobs to make ends meet. And you don't have the crushing blows of student loans to pay back. How many UPS drivers
have a job on the side to supplement their income?

And that tiny, little violin of sympathy playing "Cry Me A River" is growing
fainter and fainter.....

 

[VTBrown]

You drivers earn more per annum than teachers and cops, both of whom often have second jobs to make ends meet. And you don't have the crushing blows of student loans to pay back. How many UPS drivers
have a job on the side to supplement their income?

And that tiny, little violin of sympathy playing "Cry Me A River" is growing
fainter and fainter.....

Gee....I've met MANY college educated people who have little to no loans to repay.

How many UPS drivers have the time, other then on the weekends to find a true second job?

You are a donkey as well.

 

[Damok]

Your right it is grievable but why go that route if we dont have to? Here in chicagos 705 we have 180 out-standing arbitrations right now, this will only add to backing the union up in the grievance procedure. Here we enforce the contract, but what about the rest of the country that has problems with the enforcement, any contract is only as good s the enforcement.

I guess the main difference I have with some folks here is what you and I would expect to get out of a re-negotiation. I don't believe the current negotiating team will get you what you want whether it's due to lack of motivation or whatever. To me it's a lesser of 2 evils. Some want to vote no from a philosophical standpoint of fighting for what you believe in. I understand and respect that, however, I believe this contract not passing will due more harm than good. I don't believe they will go back and be able to get the changes you want and I'm not willing to risk our pension.

 

[athena]

Here's a whole bunch. Is there a point to this thread?

Nice sentiment but I think the point should be not JUST that full-timers make $28/hour but that they get this with no college degree or previous experience that would qualify them for the job. Most of the jobs on that list require one or both of these qualifications. (I said MOST so please don't throw the casino jobs out as proof that the requirements aren't necessary).

Gee....I've met MANY college educated people who have little to no loans to repay.

Yeah, well we can't all have mommy and daddy pay for our schooling. By the way, I have been in college for almost a decade and MOST of the people I have known in college do not make it through without taking out a loan. The only exceptions have been the few that have had spectacular scholarships (such as football schloarships) that paid for school.

How many UPS drivers have the time, other then on the weekends to find a true second job?

When do you think teachers are working a second job?

 

[athena]

Don't get me wrong, I think the pay is definitely worth the work but I also understand the point being made. It is really unfortunate that so many people get paid so well (e.g. sports and movie celebs) while others that should be super important to us do not (e.g. teachers). At the end of the day, UPS needs the full and part-timers to do a good job. This is the bread and butter of the company. What does it take to get people who do a great job? How important is it to have satisfied employees and what concession should be made by the employees in order to have a great company?

I hardly think anyone is a donkey that thinks about this.

 

[VTBrown]

Yeah, well we can't all have mommy and daddy pay for our schooling. By the way, I have been in college for almost a decade and MOST of the people I have known in college do not make it through without taking out a loan. The only exceptions have been the few that have had spectacular scholarships (such as football schloarships) that paid for school.

Gee....have you heard of state schools? Work while your in school? Work when your not in school? Actually pay on your loans PRIOR to finishing school? Working part-time at a place that offers tuition reimbursement.

Not every one in life is lazy. You want to generalize in your post. I'll do the same, works huh?


When do you think teachers are working a second job?

Err....I don't know? Most of them work their second jobs during SUMMER vacation fool. Or coaching, driver ed etc.....

 

[VTBrown]

Don't get me wrong, I think the pay is definitely worth the work but I also understand the point being made. It is really unfortunate that so many people get paid so well (e.g. sports and movie celebs) while others that should be super important to us do not (e.g. teachers). At the end of the day, UPS needs the full and part-timers to do a good job. This is the bread and butter of the company. What does it take to get people who do a great job? How important is it to have satisfied employees and what concession should be made by the employees in order to have a great company?

I hardly think anyone is a donkey that thinks about this.

They are a donkey if they can't read 90% of the post's on this board and figure out our complaints are NOT financial in origin.

Stronger language based on excessive over-time? Please.....it will take 6 months before you ever see any of those penalties come through in an actual check to you. Then on top of that the BA will negotiate a lower sum then what is contractually due. Happens all the time.

Stronger language would be a 8hr request, not an 8.5. It would not be going from only needing ONE day notice to FIVE.

It would be going from THREE over 9.5's to TWO if you opted out before they are in violation. Not a monetary compensation that we will never see followed through on.

SEE MY POINT? Take the monetary penalties and shove them where the sun does not shine. I don't want the money. I WANT THE TIME!

Does that have anything to do with what we make?

 

[RTS-wornout]

UPS doesn't fire people - they fire themselves. I believe we are weeding out the headhunting mgrs and others who try to terminate as a game. I want those guys gone first and now. On the other hand, everything mgmt does is not intended to persecute the labor. Ever been mad about an on call air that you are no where near? GPS shows us who is closest, not whose area it's on. Do you respect the guy who says he has 25 stops left and can't help and GPS tells us he actually has 3? It actually is a dispatching tool, not a method of discipline. As always, do your job, the way you've been instructed, and you have nothing to worry about. If you think all mgmt bites, put your letter in and change things. A lot of folks think they have all the answers but when questioned, have nothing. I dearly love the "everyone's out to get us" line of bs. Weakest minds make the most noise.

 

[Braveheart]

The dollar sign ($) goes in front of the 28. Do you drive right now for ups? I can almost say that you do not, however it is not over the money, whay many are unhappy with this contract. Its the language changes that we are upset with. Its real hard to draw a retirement pension if you get fired because of weaker language!

Well said!!! There are so many give backs in this contract, rights that are being weakened or taken away, out clauses for UPS to use to get out of penalties!!

The contract we are in NOW screwed us when they put in WORK AS INSTRUCTED AND FILE AFTER THE FACT!!!!!! So we file ART 48's and all we here after the fact is company will comply!!! There is no penalty, they violate our contractual rights daily with no recourse and they lie and say they will comply and then they do it again and again!!!!!!!

 

[athena]

Gee....have you heard of state schools? Work while your in school? Work when your not in school? Actually pay on your loans PRIOR to finishing school? Working part-time at a place that offers tuition reimbursement.

Not every one in life is lazy. You want to generalize in your post. I'll do the same, works huh?

Do you even know what you are talking about? Are you in the US because last time I checked state schools cost MONEY!! FYI, I did work during my undergraduate degree and I am still working during my graduate degree. My yearly income was in the low teens, if that. Can't imagine why I wouldn't be paying a student loan before finishing college when my checks were $200/ week. I went crazy and paid for things like food and housing. I am guessing you didn't go to college or these things would be a little more obvious to you. And, when did going to college become the lazy way...I always thought it was the SMART way even when you had to take out loans.

I also assume you have never taken out a loan for anything (e.g. car, house, etc.) because you know you could just pay for it in cash, no need to get a loan. I mean, my undergraduate education cost about as much as a nice car and my entire education about as much as a house. If I can just pay this while I go along, I assume you can just save up the money for a house. Must be nice to be successful enough so you don't have to be lazy and take out a loan.

 

[athena]

They are a donkey if they can't read 90% of the post's on this board and figure out our complaints are NOT financial in origin...

Does that have anything to do with what we make?

The point is not IF you make enough money. The point is that the amount of money you do make has a relationship to the rest of language in the contract. If you're unhappy with the language, encourage the union leaders to go back to negotiations and instead of the concessions in the current proposal (e.g. excessive over-time, 8 hr, etc.), propose that you not get anything but a COLA for the next 5 years. How does that sound? I would think this would make up quite a bit of the Central States buy out money.

There are both good and bad points to the contract. I took the original point of this thread to mean you shouldn't forget that you have one of the best paid jobs for individuals without prior experience or education. What exactly are you willing to give for what you get? No company in the world would give without getting something in return, so why expect UPS to do it.

 

[athena]

By the way, when did name calling become acceptable on Brown Cafe?

 

[VTBrown]

Let me try and go real slow here.......

Most people when they go to college either live on campus or live at home. At that point in their lives. The only financial responsibility they have are their school loans.

State schools for residents are much cheaper.

It would seem to me that you DON'T have to WAIT till you finish college to start paying on them.

What me make per hour has absolutely no relevance on us deciding if this is a good contract or not. Obviously we are going to get some sort of monetary raise...duh. Thats money in the bank to the Teamsters just in our monthly dues.

You fail to see the point.....

 

[athena]

I think the point is you are failing to make a point. Thanks for coming out. Better luck next time.

 

[Sammie]

“It's not about the money you donkey.

Crap....I'd vote yes on our current contract with
NO raises over this new one with essentially $2.00
an hour over 5 years.

If he thinks people are upset about the contract due
to money, he's a donkey.

They are a donkey if they can't read 90% of the post's on this
board and figure out our complaints are NOT financial in origin.”

Gee....I've met MANY college educated people who have
little to no loans to repay.

Gee....have you heard of state schools? Work while your in
school? Work when your not in school? Actually pay on your
loans PRIOR to finishing school?


I, for one, am totally impressed with your comments, VTBrown.

No, I guess this contract isn’t about money after all.

As UPS shows record profits year after year off the backs of their
underpaid loaders and unloaders, these employees will once again be
starting out at 8.50 an hour. UPS drivers will be offered an even smaller piece of the pie over the next six years than the last contract. Feeder jobs continue to be subcontracted to nonunion trucking companies and railroads, (which certainly has nothing to do with the company hiring less feeder employees to avoid feeder wages). Drivers work mandatory overtime because UPS chooses to limit full time benefits by hiring as few drivers as possible. There is a
debate over the Central States Pension Plan vs the new UPS Plan, which of course has nothing to do with how much money teamster employees will live on when they leave the company. You are correct. None of these issues are financially driven.

Now I understand. I will be sure to explain to my husband (a feeder driver since 1975) and our UPS acquaintances that money is hardly be a focal point as they decide on the new contract.

And where were you, VTBrown, when my kids were earning their bachelor/masters degrees while working full time and supporting their families? (But I forgot, only single people fresh out of high school with
no financial obligations attend college. SILLY ME!!!)

You could have been there to council them on how to accomplish this without taking out any loans! Maybe they could have robbed banks or dealt drugs on the side! 1

 

[thebrown_clown]

so vtbrown, did you go out and find that job over the weekend or did you stay on your computer trying to solve all the problems at ups? or did you spend time with your family and friends? im wondering if your so concerned over the contract if it does pass will you continue to pay union dues? will you still be a brother in the brotherhood? or will you drop out because they havent served your needs and wants? and to answer someone else remark about me not driving, yes i do for 2 yrs now, 6 p/t yrs and i do not agree with everything ups does by no means but i do know where i came from, the job i left of 20 yrs that did pay my bills but that was about it, and the insurance wasnt that great and to metion the saftey would be a joke, so my thoughts are some ups employess forget what its like to work a job of that nature and to live off of half of our pay, so next time your driving down the road on your route and see the guy with the shovel standing by a muddy ditch in the rain just be thankful of the ( few) benfits we do have, and you hurt my feelings calling me a donkey... now get out there and hump them packages, and as soon as you get home see if you can figure out some more of these problems thanks the clown..

 

[tieguy]

We have fought for years to keep discipline from technology out and this is the first step to eliminate it. If management has a problem with what we are doing have them do some research and run the route, but this allows them to sit in the office and use it to terminate someone.

Don't see it. You still have to put up a convincing argument in front of the panel.

those who don't do anything wrong have nothing to worry about with this tool.