Oregon anti government stand off.

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Operational needs, Jan 3, 2016.

  1. Operational needs

    Operational needs Well-Known Member

  2. Finally somebody grew a pair. I hope it ends well.
     
  3. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    What most reports are leaving out is those ranchers were convicted of arson (for a controlled burn that got out of hand and burned 140 acres of government land) and already served their time in prison. Now, a new judge is saying they got off too easy and need to spend 4 more years in prison. Way too harsh a punishment for the crime and smells of serious judicial overreach.
     
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  4. trickpony1

    trickpony1 Well-Known Member

    After the carnage at Waco and Ruby Ridge the government doesn't seem to be so quick to pull the trigger.

    The Montana Freeman may be an example.

    This group holed up on a ranch and the Feds essentially said, "...ok...no problem.". The Feds then turned off the electricity, water and gas to the ranch and then waited......
    The standoff eventually ended.

    This seems to be another land grab/control by the Democrats that some of you all just love.
     
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  5. MAKAVELI

    MAKAVELI Well-Known Member

    It's not a land grab if the land does not belong to you.
     
  6. Operational needs

    Operational needs Well-Known Member

    That article says though, that witnesses said the ranchers killed a herd of deer and set the fire to hide it.
     
  7. Operational needs

    Operational needs Well-Known Member

    Oops. I just reread what you said. How can a judge re-sentence someone to jail after they've already served their time? That isn't even legal is it?
     
  8. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    They were charged with arson. The deer may have happened but it sounded like they weren't charged with any wildlife violations. Also remember it was a CNN story that was very vague on details.
     
  9. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    I agree. Sounds like double jeopardy. The judge supposedly said the original sentencing (of several months to a year in jail) didn't follow federal guidelines.
     
  10. MAKAVELI

    MAKAVELI Well-Known Member

    In phone interviews from inside the occupied building Saturday night, Ammon Bundy and his brother, Ryan Bundy, said they are not looking to hurt anyone. But they would not rule out violence if law enforcement tries to remove them, they said, though they declined to elaborate. ...

    "We will do whatever it takes to maintain our freedom," he said.

    A reporter for the Oregonian also tweeted this:



    http://www.vox.com/2016/1/3/10703712/oregon-militia-standoff
    Not a whole lot of difference between these fools and the couple in San Bernardino.
     
  11. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    The men were convicted of arson, but under a provision of an expansive federal law punishing terrorism. They each served prison terms that the sentencing judge thought just, only to be told by appellate judges they had to go back to serve longer.

    So a judge decided those fires were "terrorism" and said they need to serve 4 more years. Very likely to be something that would get overturned on appeal.
     
  12. Some of these judges need to be ripped off the bench and thrown in jail. The whole system is a joke.
     
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  13. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

  14. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    How many people have died in Oregon? And how many died in San Bernadino?
     
  15. MAKAVELI

    MAKAVELI Well-Known Member

    How many people did the couple kill before that day in San Bernardino?
     
  16. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    How many have died total in each event? And how many died that first day in San Bernadino vs the first day in Oregon?
     
  17. MAKAVELI

    MAKAVELI Well-Known Member

    You mean the system that has prisons full of Blacks and Latinos disproportionately? I couldn't agree more bro.;)
     
  18. The whole system is a mess. Money talks the rest get locked up.
     
  19. MAKAVELI

    MAKAVELI Well-Known Member

    Race plays a huge part in our justice system. Anyone who doesn't believe that is both ignorant and in denial.
     
  20. I never said it wasn't. But the color of green does a lot.