Moreluck,
In the same "pledge" , it states that we are "indivisible", "United" and with "liberty" and "justice" for all. My question to you and the other right wing fringe on this board is this.
Define:
1) INDIVISIBLE
(the republicans have done along with the help of FAUX NOISE, given the country a daily dose of driving a wedge between americans over issues in this country just to affect elections and regain power.Today, republicans use terms like "take our country back". But from who? the NON-Americans? Politics today is about dividing americans and fighting for the middle to win elections. So, how can YOU say you believe in this pledge when you preach separation in almost everyone of your political posts?)
2) UNITED
(The republican party is doing all it can to be a separatist party, with its montra of socialism and communism being launched at the other side. What happened to United? Why are they not trying to bring this country together to restore the USA to a better place? Why are they fighting every effort to get us out of a major recession they helped to create? The republicans and their base are no more interested in being UNITED than you are.
3) LIBERTY AND JUSTICE
( What do you really think this means? I am sure you will grasp at Two (2) words: freedom and legal, but this is not what it means. These two (2) words are ever expanding. LIberty means more than just freedom, it means being able to have a job, vote, pay taxes fairly, own a gun, own a home, own a business, travel the country or have a voice in goverment. Justice for all, has the largest meaning of all.
When the founding fathers lay pen to paper, they didnt get it right as Glen Beck would propose. They made serious err's in judgement that have been corrected over 200 years. Everytime I hear Glen Beck cry on TV about returning to what the founding fathers originally wanted, I just want to puke. The original founding fathers intention was to have things like Slavery- buying and selling of humans, african, chinese and Irish. They originally wrote that only business or land owners could vote, excluded were women, minorities and those who owned nothing. They believed that only the "free white man" could own a weapon. There original intent was designed to remain in power and keep the poor, minority and women "enslaved" to their direction.
Unfortunately for the founding fathers, 200 years later, these things have been corrected and today, women and african americans can vote as well as minorities. We no longer have slaves working for corporations (they exchanged importing humans for workers for exporting jobs to places where workers can be exploited). All americans can own guns, property, businesses etc etc and guess what, we even have a black president.
This is true liberty.
It is YOU that have it wrong. YOU dont understand the pledge at all. We cannot force all people in this country to pledge to a god they dont believe in. We allow the freedom of religion, and that means either we can believe in something or chose to believe in nothing. That is an unalienable right of this country, and reciting a pledge to a flag cannot remove that right.
This country has to be UNITED even if we disagree with policies. We have 4 year terms for our elected leader. If he fails to lead the country in the right direction, then the people decide what happens to him NOT A POLITICAL PARTY. The problem with our country today is the money and power behind it.
Driving wedges between americans is the song of the day for the republicans. Talk about revolutions and taking countries back are nothing more than harse rhetoric used to "inflame" those stupid enough to believe in it.
Lets say that republicans convince those in the party to rise up and create an armed revolution and forcefully take back control of goverment (once they get passed the fighter jets, soldiers, tanks and such) what would stop the "other side" from organizing and doing the same thing again?
This proposal is rediculous. It would start a perpetual fight that would eventually ruin this country. But this is the risk the RIGHT WING wants to take. Losing an entire country just to take control of goverment.
So I ask you Moreluck, do you really know what the pledge stands for beyong the "rhetoric" of your beloved right wing party???
Peace
In the same "pledge" , it states that we are "indivisible", "United" and with "liberty" and "justice" for all. My question to you and the other right wing fringe on this board is this.
Define:
1) INDIVISIBLE
(the republicans have done along with the help of FAUX NOISE, given the country a daily dose of driving a wedge between americans over issues in this country just to affect elections and regain power.Today, republicans use terms like "take our country back". But from who? the NON-Americans? Politics today is about dividing americans and fighting for the middle to win elections. So, how can YOU say you believe in this pledge when you preach separation in almost everyone of your political posts?)
2) UNITED
(The republican party is doing all it can to be a separatist party, with its montra of socialism and communism being launched at the other side. What happened to United? Why are they not trying to bring this country together to restore the USA to a better place? Why are they fighting every effort to get us out of a major recession they helped to create? The republicans and their base are no more interested in being UNITED than you are.
3) LIBERTY AND JUSTICE
( What do you really think this means? I am sure you will grasp at Two (2) words: freedom and legal, but this is not what it means. These two (2) words are ever expanding. LIberty means more than just freedom, it means being able to have a job, vote, pay taxes fairly, own a gun, own a home, own a business, travel the country or have a voice in goverment. Justice for all, has the largest meaning of all.
When the founding fathers lay pen to paper, they didnt get it right as Glen Beck would propose. They made serious err's in judgement that have been corrected over 200 years. Everytime I hear Glen Beck cry on TV about returning to what the founding fathers originally wanted, I just want to puke. The original founding fathers intention was to have things like Slavery- buying and selling of humans, african, chinese and Irish. They originally wrote that only business or land owners could vote, excluded were women, minorities and those who owned nothing. They believed that only the "free white man" could own a weapon. There original intent was designed to remain in power and keep the poor, minority and women "enslaved" to their direction.
Unfortunately for the founding fathers, 200 years later, these things have been corrected and today, women and african americans can vote as well as minorities. We no longer have slaves working for corporations (they exchanged importing humans for workers for exporting jobs to places where workers can be exploited). All americans can own guns, property, businesses etc etc and guess what, we even have a black president.
This is true liberty.
It is YOU that have it wrong. YOU dont understand the pledge at all. We cannot force all people in this country to pledge to a god they dont believe in. We allow the freedom of religion, and that means either we can believe in something or chose to believe in nothing. That is an unalienable right of this country, and reciting a pledge to a flag cannot remove that right.
This country has to be UNITED even if we disagree with policies. We have 4 year terms for our elected leader. If he fails to lead the country in the right direction, then the people decide what happens to him NOT A POLITICAL PARTY. The problem with our country today is the money and power behind it.
Driving wedges between americans is the song of the day for the republicans. Talk about revolutions and taking countries back are nothing more than harse rhetoric used to "inflame" those stupid enough to believe in it.
Lets say that republicans convince those in the party to rise up and create an armed revolution and forcefully take back control of goverment (once they get passed the fighter jets, soldiers, tanks and such) what would stop the "other side" from organizing and doing the same thing again?
This proposal is rediculous. It would start a perpetual fight that would eventually ruin this country. But this is the risk the RIGHT WING wants to take. Losing an entire country just to take control of goverment.
So I ask you Moreluck, do you really know what the pledge stands for beyong the "rhetoric" of your beloved right wing party???
Peace
