oldngray
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On an exoteric level, probably not. But on an esoteric level, all bets would be off!
2nd century Church Father Clement of Alexandria
Clement had a lot of unorthodox beliefs so I wouldn't cite him as an example.
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Clement had a lot of unorthodox beliefs so I wouldn't cite him as an example.
wkmac
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True, but for 1400 years the church view of him was as a rock star. When church agendas changed, Clement proved problematic and thus his removal from Vatican church martyrology in 1586'. Other churches however still hold him in high regard.
But as a Southern Baptist yourself, I can understand why you see Clement as problem. The first 300 years of what we know as christainity held vastly unorthodox views as opposed to today's standards. Many of those views now stand as orthodox only because men with power declared them so.
To the victors the spoils and thus we get orthodox history.
oldngray
nowhere special
No, Actually Southern Baptists are closer to the the early church beliefs than most. Clement was mostly gnostic which was always a heretical view. There were many early texts written and just because it was written at an early date does not mean it was widely accepted as orthodox.
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You sure to go to a Baptist Church? I would venture gays would be welcome in an Episcopalian Church but certainly not a Baptist Church no matter how 'reformed' they claim to be
oldngray
nowhere special
My retired pastor has a gay son. He would rather the son come to church even gay although he is against gay lifestyle. The important thing is to witness and preach the gospel. If that person comes under conviction from God that what he is doing is wrong that is between him and God. Without a doubt my church would allow no gay weddings or gay clergy but that is different from not wanting a gay person to be saved.
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I am very glad your church is more supportive than the ones here(no sarcasm)
It's not far removed from the Salem Witch Trial era here
oldngray
nowhere special
I have relatives in Georgia and they are all Pentecostals. Mostly Church of God. Some of them are definitely racist.
wkmac
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This is why I don't fear some christian theocracy coming to power. The vast majority of christians actually don't want it as a matter of practice. Because of the vast differences in denominations, non theists could just stay in the shadows and watch christians slaughter each other in defense of their own dogmas and doctrine as they attempt to dominate. In time, the field is cleared of christians by their own hands and non theists and non religionists can enjoy a very good life.
If christianity not to mention judaism and islam could ever kick the dogma of literalism to the curb, their ability to benefit humanity would far more easily manifest.
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MrFedEx
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How convenient. Around here "brown/olive-skinned" people are called Blacks, Hispanics, and other minorities...certainly not Caucasians. And how the hell do you know he was "portrayed accurately"? Were you there? More flawed reasoning and faulty attempts to paint a picture of Jesus being someone just like you.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
Richard Simmons and Rick Perry are gay lovers? Here's "proof"...FOX-style.
MAKAVELI
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Rick Perry looks like he is straight out of Brokeback Mountain.
oldngray
nowhere special
How is it flawed reasoning? Race is genetics, not just skin color. Are you trying to claim Jesus was not Semitic (Jew)? What race would you call that?
MrFedEx
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I'd call it another pathetic attempt to portray Jesus as a Caucasian by any means possible. I have reliable evidence he looked like George Jefferson.
oldngray
nowhere special
So you admit you are wrong and can't support your claims.
MrFedEx
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How are you supporting your claims? Race is both genetics and the eye of the beholder. I have several friends who are half-black and half white, but society dictates they identify as black because of their skin color.
The point was that if a brown/black/olive-skinned Jesus showed-up, that most of the Right Wing crowd would deny Him and say that He was a fake. I suspect that is exactly what would happen. Just like Santa Claus, Jesus is white, and belongs to white people. "You people" crack me up.
oldngray
nowhere special
Negative. Race is genetics. Eye of the beholder is irrelevant. And as usual you are also incorrect with your Right Wing Crowd claims.
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MrFedEx
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Science says race is genetics, but society says race is determined by environment. The dominant white culture says Jesus is white, because it suits their needs and desires. Ask some of your friends who are mixed race (Hafu, Happa, whatever) how they identify and how white culture forces them to be something they might not really be.
I'll stand by my statement that if a black or brown Jesus dropped-in tomorrow, that most of you evangelical types would be filling your pants.
