You are just assuming I am a supervisor. I'm not. Let's get that straight. I just think no one does union work better than a part time supervisor. I'm doing an experiment in my building. When I say I, I mean our management team. Every single person that comes in late is being disciplined daily. So Four lates result in a termination. Every one that is under 1/3,000 misload frequency is being disciplined bi-weekly. So Two Months under 1/3,000 results in termination. Anyone not wearing proper footwear/clothing is being disciplined daily. Anyone caught talking/stealing time is being disciplined daily. I work in a large Hub with over 1,000 teamsters employed. I have handed out dozens of suspensions and terminations already and this just started. We actually have to use the back up steward and the regular steward in two different offices to expedite the process. So don't tell me about violating the contract. If any Violates the contract it's the Teamsters. Have some pride and weed out your piece of **** members. So while your brothers are coming in late, misloading, stealing time, and not showing up for work, I'll be instructing supervisors to load and unload trailers to make up for the worthless teamsters I am stuck with.
Sups doing bargaining unit work
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island1fox
Well-Known Member
If more Part time UPS/Teamsters held up to their part of the contract /job---like come to work on time or come to work at all or call when you will be late or call early enough for management to get coverage for your absence. I laugh when you see the part-timer with 30 -40 days out per year -be the first to file a super work grievance.When you try to discipline the constant late or absence --the union cries to the labor mgr "TOO many warning letters--give me a break --I have to get elected" Just a vicious circle that goes on forever !!!
I worked many jobs in my 36 years --including P/t hourly and P/T supervisor. For myself as well as all the p/t sups I knew ----we did not want to do "hourly" work ---we had enough hours and paperwork already assigned to us ----also a p/t supervisor makes more per hour than over 85% of the hourly p/t's --Company not only loses control of the operation --but it costs them more .
Open your eyes ------Attendance is the KEY !! A supervisor cannot do your job if you are there !!!!!
PT Stewie
"Big Fella"
Its not a hub it is a stalag and you appear to be the Commandant. "No talking" give me a break.
PT Stewie
"Big Fella"
When you try to discipline the constant late or absence --the union cries to the labor mgr "TOO many warning letters--give me a break --I have to get elected" Just a vicious circle that goes on forever !!!
I worked many jobs in my 36 years --including P/t hourly and P/T supervisor. For myself as well as all the p/t sups I knew ----we did not want to do "hourly" work ---we had enough hours and paperwork already assigned to us ----also a p/t supervisor makes more per hour than over 85% of the hourly p/t's --Company not only loses control of the operation --but it costs them more .
Open your eyes ------Attendance is the KEY !! A supervisor cannot do your job if you are there !!!!!
Misdirection! How about all the guys that show up on time but get sent home and sups finish the work.How about the guys that show up early and at one time got paid for pre-charge.Now they sit there and watch sups do it.You bring it to managements attention,it stops for a week then it starts all over again. They do your job when you not there because they sent you home or rolled back your start time
So, come in early, when you see those supervisors doing the pre-start, grieve it. As the supervisors are saying here, they are giving out all these warning letters and terminations, give them back their own medicine.
Misdirection! How about all the guys that show up on time but get sent home and sups finish the work.How about the guys that show up early and at one time got paid for pre-charge.Now they sit there and watch sups do it.You bring it to managements attention,it stops for a week then it starts all over again. They do your job when you not there because they sent you home or rolled back your start time
What supplement are you under that each late is disciplinable? Your posts in this thread appear to be that of a troll trying to antagonize folks.
grgrcr88
No It's not green grocer!
When you try to discipline the constant late or absence --the union cries to the labor mgr "TOO many warning letters--give me a break --I have to get elected" Just a vicious circle that goes on forever !!!
I worked many jobs in my 36 years --including P/t hourly and P/T supervisor. For myself as well as all the p/t sups I knew ----we did not want to do "hourly" work ---we had enough hours and paperwork already assigned to us ----also a p/t supervisor makes more per hour than over 85% of the hourly p/t's --Company not only loses control of the operation --but it costs them more .
Open your eyes ------Attendance is the KEY !! A supervisor cannot do your job if you are there !!!!!
Agreed 100%, Socks on the other hand is just trying to be an ass!
grgrcr88
No It's not green grocer!
Haven't posted in awhile and i figured this would be a good one to come back to. I myself am a PT Sup at a very large hub, where supervisors working is deffinetly an issue. I have only been a sup for a few months now but have had numerous stewards and high seniority employees come to me and have said thank's for not working, we appreciate it. It's not hard for me to just keep my hands in my pockets at times, and respect the contract. I know for some sup's they worry about their numbers so much that they work. I'll be honest just being friendly and respectful to my belt has given me a group of employees who bust their ass day in and day out and give me those good numbers that so many people are worried about. About seeing memo's encouraging sups to work that is ridiculous. During my presorts probably 3 times a week we are reminded do not work, because of grievances that have been filed lately or to remind us that it can be used against us if we need to discipline an employee who is misloading, skipping work, etc.
Once the employee record is reviewed with the Union and the employee progressive discipline begins. Each day the employees comes in late after that just makes it easier. Actually you might not believe this but I've been handing out terminations and the stewards have been settling for a ten day uncontested suspension and if they individual gets fired again they waive their right to article seven. That's the mentality of these teamsters I just give them the rope and they hang themselves. As these guys are being escorted off property they keep asking the stewards, "why didn't you tell me what Article Seven meant?"
I know you are bitter about not being able to pass the part time supervisor test but try it AGAIN I promise they will promote you this time. I will do anything I can to help you.
PT Stewie
"Big Fella"
Thanks for bringing Article 7 up. I have used it more than a few times in the past
"Except in cases involving cardinal infractions under the applicable Supplement,Rider,or Addendum,an enployee to be discharged or suspended shall be allowed to remain on the job.without loss of pay unless and until the discharge or suspension is sustained under the grievance procedure."
i.e. File an Article 7 Grievance
Very good Socks ! you may have helped some IBT members out.
Thank you for proveing that there still are some damm good supervisors at UPS. Your people respect you, so they work their ass off for you.
PT Stewie
"Big Fella"
Ditto on what Happybob said.-------Your not just given respect you earn it. Aparrentley your attidude and leadership management style has earned you some. Please stay the course in your career at UPS and good luck in whatever you choose to do.
gostillerz
Well-Known Member
I'm in a small center, we're all pretty much friends with each other (even management). On preload, both of our sups pull packages. We don't need the help, they just maybe grab a box or 2 every few minutes and hand it to us while we're just yapping. We don't file on stuff like that.
3 months ago we were short staffed, and they were loading their own cars (they were even telling us to file everyday). That's when we filed grievances until we got replacements.
I finished half-assed Integrad at a much bigger (maybe 150 routes) center this week and couldn't understand how people could stay there. It was depressing just going there.
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3 months ago we were short staffed, and they were loading their own cars (they were even telling us to file everyday). That's when we filed grievances until we got replacements.
I finished half-assed Integrad at a much bigger (maybe 150 routes) center this week and couldn't understand how people could stay there. It was depressing just going there.
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I really agree with this. A supervisor who stops and picks up a few pkgs from around my feet once in awhile is greatly appreciated.
The one who is obviously trying to keep the sort moving with too few hourlies is greatly grieved.
ticoo
Member
Is have to agree with smokey. im not sticking up fpr mgt either but if u have a sup that cares than at least u know what u got u dont know what ur gonna get. thats #1 .#2 u really have to be able to put in perspective is the sup doing the work or truly help. we have people in our center that will ask for help and than 3days later file a grievence about the same sup that is helping with an over 70 go figure
b17arkingmad
sicksup
It seems ok for "drivers" to knock sups for doing their "work"?!!!!. But if they used correct methods and woke up to the fact that there is nothing such a free ride anymore. I don't like 14 hours a day but if we don't do our bit the job won,t be there!!!!!!!!!!
OneRouteWonder
New Member
Simply Put, Keep the Sups Watching and Grieve all work.
It's the only way to make sure they hire the appropriate amount
of employees to properly get the job done.
Seems like they are pushing everyone 15% harder than physically possible.
It's the only way to make sure they hire the appropriate amount
of employees to properly get the job done.
Seems like they are pushing everyone 15% harder than physically possible.
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unloadking
New Member
I totally agree with you! We have a couple of sups at my hub that will treat me with respect and knows what his job is and what my job is. I bust my butt for them everyday to get the job done. But so many pt sups come in and treat us teamsters like we dont know what we are doing and try to tell us how to do our job. Im sorry but when I have been unloading trailers for 4 years now im not really gonna take your advice when you unloaded for less then a month and went sup. Nothing shoots moral down more then pt sups that treat us like idiots. If you treat us like equals we will treat you like equals. I'll take your advice and decide if its good or if its bull, but dont think by comming in my trailer and shoving it down my throat is going to make me follow it.
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