THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD
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HarryWarden
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Criticize republicans for that one, it was a Republican led investigation, they’ve spent countless tax payers money and hours wasted investigating and yet have not brought forth any charges, whether criminally or through impeachment, I wonder why?
Right now Republicans control the House. If they impeach it's highly unlikely that Schumer will allow a trial in the Senate. But it's a moot point. SCOTUS isn't going to give the presidency unlimited immunity. So your question doesn't matter. What Trump is likely to get is limited immunity. Which pretty much makes the D.C. trial go away. SCOTUS may also send this case to a Federal district court which takes it out of Smith's hands. I know y'all were salivating at the thought of Trump getting reamed in multiple courts but so far all that's happened is he got a ludicrous judgement against him that will likely be overturned on appeal.
But to your point the Cabinet can vote to remove a president. Lawsuits can be filed in Federal court that SCOTUS can rule on. What you're suggesting is what stops Biden from becoming a dictator? Everyone who takes their oath seriously to uphold the Constitution will stand up to him. The court isn't going to give the presidency the power to do whatever he likes in violation of the Constitution.
They've got tons of evidence but as the Mayorkas impeachment attempt demonstrated the Democratic controlled Senate isn't going to allow a trial. So best to go after Biden and family after Biden leaves office. Limited immunity won't protect Biden for accepting millions from our adversaries.
PT Car Washer
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Really? An insurrection would be allowed under Presidential immunity?
Guess that's the argument they just have to go with.
UnionStrong
Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
Unbelievable! And I suppose you believe the vaccine was safe and effective, and you probably still wear a mask too, Mr. Secret Squirrel. Lol
728ups
All Trash No Trailer
Oh wow, im
Back in middle school again .
So when Trump is found guilty are you gentle MAGA christian folk going to #backtheblue?
Thebrownblob
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I’ll just leave this here… talk about scary.
I like watching both sides pretend the rabbit hole hasn’t already been gone down.
I like watching both sides pretend the rabbit hole hasn’t already been gone down.
Thebrownblob
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Death Without Due Process | ACLU
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This extrajudicial killing program should make every American queasy. Based on largely secret legal standards and entirely secret evidence, our government has killed thousands of people. At least several hundred were killed far from any battlefield. Four of the dead are Americans. Astonishingly, President Obama’s Justice Department has said the courts have no role in deciding whether the killing of U.S. citizens far from any battlefield is lawful.
The president, it seems, can be judge, jury, and executioner.
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
HarryWarden
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President Trump said it was safe and effective, why would you vote for someone who would lie about such a big thing?
HarryWarden
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What exactly do you think presidential immunity means? I don’t think you understand
Lmao. What are these guidelines for “limited” immunity, whatever that means. You’re basically saying it will cover everything trump is accused of but not Biden
Said no such thing. SCOTUS has to consider the presidency going forward. Limited immunity means if Obama drones an American citizen he isn't tried in court for it after leaving office. He made a decision as president to eliminate a terrorist. Same for Bush taking us to war. If however Trump was to send troops into Mexico with orders to kill every man, woman, and child they encountered he would be guilty of war crimes and tried for that. Most likely impeached, removed in a Senate trial, then tried in criminal court. These current trials Trump is dealing with are such a stretch that even if convicted they'd likely be overturned. That's the kind of lawfare that SCOTUS will seek to protect all presidents from going forward. Limited immunity. We don't want presidents hobbled by charges brought by political opposition for legitimate actions they took as president.
HarryWarden
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that’s already the case, because the laws says those thing are not illegal for a president to do. Obama couldn’t be charged for that because he didn’t break the law, the law specifies military involvement and accidental civilian death. Trump would be charged for the example you gave because that is against the law.
This scenario of presidential immunity is absurd, and you’re being manipulated and not thinking logically. It hasn’t been a problem for any of the other presidents being criminally charged unnecessarily and excessively by political rivals before trump, and it isn’t happening to Biden either, because it is only a problem for trump, because he is breaking the law.
Exactly what cases are a sham that will be overturned that you’re referencing?
And you keep ignoring the scenario of a Congress that wont impeach and remove.
Obama didn't accidentally kill a civilian. An American was involved at a high level with al-Qaida and Obama gave the go ahead to take him out. Several American citizens were accidentally killed in other strikes but the one guy was specifically targeted. Brought a lot of angst directed at the Obama administration for essentially killing a citizen without due process. The ruling that SCOTUS is considering will determine if a president can make such decisions and not face prosecution.
You show your bias. Trump is accused of breaking the law. He hasn't been convicted in a criminal court. You treat legal proceedings as just a formality. That rationale is why decisions presidents make must have at least limited immunity. Doesn't just apply to Trump but all presidents going forward. Otherwise political enemies will second guess every difficult decision.
Cases Trump is being persecuted with:
The case brought by New York AG Letitia James claiming Trump committed fraud in the valuation of his property to get business loans.
The Georgia case claiming violation of the RICO statute.
Prosecuting Trump for having classified documents and yet both Biden and Hillary were let off without charges in spite of much worse violations.
The D.C. case which I'm not certain on but is claiming Trump instigated an insurrection.
The E. Jean Carroll case where she claimed Trump raped her. No proof, no witnesses, couldn't remember when exactly it happened, claimed outfit she was wearing on Vanity Fair cover was same one she was wearing when she was raped but turned out manufacturer didn't make that outfit until years after she claimed she was raped. Didn't matter to NY jury, and he gets slammed for millions.
The case in Manhattan brought by District Attorney Bragg where he claims Trump wrongly entered payments to Stormy Daniels as business expenses. If true it's normally a Federal campaign misdemeanor. Federal prosecutors declined to try him over it but Bragg, a local DA, has turned the misdemeanors into felonies.
And pretty much all of this could have been brought years ago but they waited until the year before the election. And there have been White House visits by various prosecutors involved. The latest is the Democratic Arizona AG bringing charges against Trump associates. She is on the White House visitor logs twice. If you don't think there has been coordination with the Biden administration on all of this I have some Florida swampland I'd like to sell you. They are trying to take out Biden's chief rival. If Trump gets through all of this and gets reelected then I hope his AG goes after everyone who may have committed a crime doing all of this. Third World banana republic BS.
HarryWarden
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And guess what? Obama wasn’t charged for that by political rivals. You know why? Because he didn’t break the law. And like every other president before him wasn’t worrying about it and asking for presidential immunity
Presidential immunity wouldn’t even apply to this, why are you bringing this up?
and so was Vice President mike pence. Know why? They gave the documents back when asked. Trump was asked and warned multiple times, and made multiple attempts to hide and lie about the documents.
Again, why are you bringing this up? This would have nothing to do with presidential immunity
Again… nothing to do with presidential immunity, happened before he was president…
It’s really strange, you’re making this all about trump, and not the big picture with our country. You’re obsessed, and that’s why you’re thinking is so illogical
You asked what cases I thought were a sham so I told you. And it's laughable that you say I'm making this all about Trump. You and your ilk won't be happy until he's destroyed. Get a life.
P.S. A lot of people thought that Obama killing an American citizen without due process was breaking the law. And I've got news for you...Jack Smith, Special Prosecutor, asked SCOTUS to make a ruling on whether Trump had immunity so that he could proceed with his prosecution. SCOTUS agreed to take it up and it's a ruling that will affect all presidents going forward. So while you've gone into histrionics about Trump it wasn't him who went to SCOTUS. It's the Information Age, get some.
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