What area of the country has strongest union(s)?

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by margaritaville, Jul 9, 2014.

  1. margaritaville

    margaritaville Active Member

    I realize we all get generally the same pay and rights. But there are certain areas that seem to get better retirement and other benefits. NW, SW, NE, SE, Central, etc.?

    Also which has the worst? :P
  2. bleedinbrown58

    bleedinbrown58 mouth breathers...everywhere

    804 doesn't take any schnit!
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  3. TooTechie

    TooTechie Geek in Brown

    I don't think its so much a region as the local and the shift. Here we have a very strong union and on day shifts management knows to be careful, however on the night shift they know they can get away with murder because many part timers dont care

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  4. cachsux

    cachsux Wah

    None of them anymore.

    The people that actually FOUGHT to create a strong union, any union, are all but all retired and the folks coming up can't agree any farther than the end of their noses.
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  5. BigBeef42

    BigBeef42 Active Member

    I agree,
    However lets not generalize that all of us new gen upser are pushovers.

    In my hub, it seems, most folks just want to get their 3.5 hrs, just enough for a case of beer, or for med benefits. They couldnt care less about the wellbeing of other upsers or the union as a whole.

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  6. PiedmontSteward

    PiedmontSteward RTW-4-Less

    I literally had a 14 year PT'er flip out on me and say he "didn't care" about supervisors working because he "doesn't want to do that work anyway." All of this came about because I asked him why he was working off the clock.

    The vast majority of the workforce (PT or FT) in my area just wants to punch in, do their job, and go home. They only care about the union if they're being disciplined/fired. A big chunk of that group would prefer to only punch in a bare minimum of days for a bare minimum of hours. All that being said, there's enough people that want the hours and want to punch management in the nuts that it still makes it worth it to be active instead of just a bystander.
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  7. laffter

    laffter Active Member

    I choose not to be pushed around by management. The PT sups on my belt are relatively reasonable. A number of weeks ago, I was sent help to wrap up my "area". I don't like other people wrapping up my trucks, as I put effort into my loads and I'd rather not that go to waste. Anyway, I don't have a choice in the matter so help was forced upon me. Very quickly after, I noticed two sups helping the 'helper' bulk out the truck. On my way out, I told my PT sup that he shouldn't be doing that- I said it in a rather serious tone. The following morning he told me it wouldn't happen again. I can't do anything about the help being forced on me, but sups working in such an instance I won't tolerate.

    And to be clear, I don't give a rat's ass about sups working during the sort. It's at the END of the sort that bothers me.

    Here's how it goes: the sups are held accountable for their belts. The belts MUST be wrapped up in a reasonable amount of time. It doesn't matter if the "bodies" are available to do it (because of attendance issues). If sups do not do the work, they would be forced to have us take turns doing it, moving us back and forth for some minutes at a time (this is my own conclusion, not something I've been told). On some days, I see this being a possible solution. On most days- nope. Our areas would get backed up even more, and the entire belt would be a clusterf-.

    I'm glad I'm in the union. I'm happy this union exists and that we benefit greatly from it. However, at the same time, I don't want to do somebody else's work. Most of our "sups working" issues (during preload) do not stem from lack of union workers, they stem from attendance problems.

    Every week I see a walk-thru in the building. Every other week I see someone new. Yet when people don't show up, we still have a shortage of workers. ????

    The other day, on my belt, we had a new hire loading an area. She has been on the belt for a couple weeks now. A driver wanted some extra time and essentially "bumped" her. She was sent home and he was put in her place. Shortly after, he was sent out to deliver some air. I'm guessing early AM? The sort wasn't even over yet. So... now there's nobody to load those trucks. A while later, another driver showed up to load them.

    What the hell is going on? Drivers with higher seniority can just call in whenever they want and bump someone with less seniority? ... in the middle of a shift? I'm grateful for what the union has provided me, but that sounds like a load of crap.

    I'm not sure if I made any points with my rant... I'm a little drunk.

    EDIT: Oh, and regarding the previous post. I, too, don't care about sups working (during the sort). However, I don't work off the clock. I show up within a couple minutes of start time (or a couple after). I look over the misload, production, and route summary sheets... then I head off to my area to prepare the trucks- put my stuff up, move hand carts into the cabs, re-position any totes that might still be there. By then, typically, my slide is almost full of crap. But, before break time I'm almost always clean. As soon as the break buzzer goes off I set down whatever I'm holding and head out. I keep track of my hours every single day. UPS gets no free labor out of me.
  8. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.


    Resident know-it-all.
  9. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

  10. cosmo1

    cosmo1 Just another internet hooligan.

    You know, that union that got you industry leading pay, benefits and pension.

    And all this with only a high school education and a valid driver's license.
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  11. Inside my wife panties!...Nobody is crossing that line!...:eek:
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  12. mdnj88

    mdnj88 Active Member

    177 baby!!!
  13. What'dyabringmetoday???

    What'dyabringmetoday??? Well-Known Member

    Only when it benefits YOU, right Skippy? Now get in there and get some recycling done.
  14. bleedinbrown58

    bleedinbrown58 mouth breathers...everywhere

  15. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    I have both a 2 and 4 yr degree and 9 hours toward a Master's. I also have an Enhanced Driver's License.

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  16. Johney

    Johney Raise your hand if you think Upstate is a D-Bag

    What exactly does that mean?
  17. laffter

    laffter Active Member

    He enhanced it using a copier.
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  18. bleedinbrown58

    bleedinbrown58 mouth breathers...everywhere

    And yet, despite all that, your pension check will look very similar to say....Cosmo's....no offense Cos ;)
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  19. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    It is the same as a passport---I can use it to go to Canada and Mexico.

    Resident know-it-all.
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  20. Ouch

    Ouch Well-Known Member

    You looking to get promoted to center manager are ya? No wonder your bitter. All that education and are stuck as a sup.