Who else is still dealing with Force in Saturdays?

[21Savage]

@21Savage when they called you into the office to tell you you needed to come in Saturday, was a steward there? What did they say if anything?

Yeah it was some random ass dude I've seen before but from another center. I didn't know he was a steward. But I don't think they need a steward unless it's for discipline anyways so I wasn't really worried about it. He didn't say anything, I didn't say anything.

It was short and sweet meeting. There was like 15 of us that each had the same individual meeting. I had a g8 too. How convenient. Was nice leaving 20 minutes late.

 

[PPH_over_9000]

Just gotta play it smart and realize when to speak up and when to fall back.

THAT'S MY PROBLEM! Spent my whole life learning how not to be a pushover and now it's like a get triggered at the slightest reminder of how people have taken advantage in the past.

I'm working on it, though! I realize that not everyone's out to get me, but at the same time there most definitely exists some crabby s out in the world that seem to extend their lifespan based on the misery and angst they can introduce into the world.

 

[KearsargeCoop]

I'm learning that.

It seems the more words I use the worse the situation gets, so I try to keep it as simple as it can be.

Most problematic situations start with "Hey there! So I'm here to pick up a package for [John], do you guys have it ready for me?" And, well, short answer is no, they don't have it ready for me but they'd like me to wait a moment (which turns into 10) while they call John. Normally they ask what it is, though. What it looks like. What it's supposed to be.

And all I can say is "Ma'am, I have no idea what's going to be in the package but it should look like the typical boxes and bags you tend to receive."

People.... well... they really don't like that kind of answer.

If it's a call tag, explain to them what options THEY have.
"Mam, I have an RS1 here, which means if the package isn't ready for me I can leave the tag. You can drop the packsge at any UPS store or give it to any driver when it is ready".
Or "Mam, if John isn't available and the package isn't here I'll mark down first delivery attempt and come back tomorrow."

 

[UPSER1987]

Have you filed a grievance ?

UPS does what it wants. Contract be damned lol

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

So then pull some 4-stop-an-hour days and deal with the harassment and micromanagement and overmanagement and the forced office interactions that come with it.

, you're a real RPCD. That won't rattle you, won't stress you out. 'll be like spinach for popeye when you see how your paycheck prospers.

 

[PPH_over_9000]

Or "Mam, if John isn't available and the package isn't here I'll mark down first delivery attempt and come back tomorrow."

"Yeah he's not here but give me a minute, it'll just take a second" and they slam the door in your face while they call him.

As you wait on the doorstep, you think back on the last time this happened. Just like in this moment, the last time this happened every instinct inside of you screamed to sheet as not ready and walk back to the truck. Last time you did it. You actually did it, you said to yourself if the customer doesn't value your time then you shouldn't be required to value theirs and you walked back to your truck and went on about your day.

You come in the next morning only to hear your name called out at the end of PCM.

"[Center manager] wants to speak with you."

As you walk to the office, one of your stewards falls in line about a step or two behind you. You have a union escort now. Surely this meeting is going to be good news. /s

You get a chance to say your say. In the end, it doesn't matter what words come out of your mouth. "We're issuing you a warning letter based on this service failure," they tell you-- or if you're really unlucky, this is your second or third strike and they're hitting you with a suspension or intent to terminate, because the customer called in and said you never picked up the package.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

So then pull some 4-stop-an-hour days and deal with the harassment and micromanagement and overmanagement and the forced office interactions that come with it.

, you're a real RPCD. That won't rattle you, won't stress you out. 'll be like spinach for popeye when you see how your paycheck prospers.

You're not understanding what I'm trying to say

It's not all about the money

 

[PPH_over_9000]

You're not understanding what I'm trying to say

It's not all about the money

100%

I agree with you on that but I'm not tracking. They don't care about anything but the money you're forcing them to pay you. That's the only leverage you have in conversation with management-- "Yeah, I'll pick that up but it's going to put me over 9.5" or "Sure, I'll deliver the misload but you know it's going to take me an hour just to drive one way, right?"

but admittedly I'm 2 sheets to the wind, dawg, working on #3 so I don't have a lot of time to understand

 

[10:30 resi]

Yeah it was some random ass dude I've seen before but from another center. I didn't know he was a steward. But I don't think they need a steward unless it's for discipline anyways so I wasn't really worried about it.

You can ask for a representative not only if the conversation could result in your discipline or termination but also if it could affect your personal working conditions. Did the steward say anything to your defense? I am asking because I would've told the company that you require 10 days of notice for a change of schedule per the MOA. Maybe not a winning argument but at least it's something if y'all had nothing else

 

[21Savage]

You can ask for a representative not only if the conversation could result in your discipline or termination but also if it could affect your personal working conditions. Did the steward say anything to your defense? I am asking because I would've told the company that you require 10 days of notice for a change of schedule per the MOA. Maybe not a winning argument but at least it's something if y'all had nothing elseView attachment 464714

Oh no I didn't realize that but thank you. I think they're just trying to intimidate the weak and hoping some will show up. The "steward" sitting in felt like a plant. He wasn't from my center and didn't say anything in anyone's defense to my knowlede. I know who it was he's a driver from the center next to me. Didn't know he's a steward tho. And he's a terrible one if he is.

I'll also be clear there wasn't a threat of discipline. The meeting just went you're required to work and call out in a timely fashion if you can't make it.

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

Ehh if you know you're right you can talk to customers however you want and get away with it. Just gotta play it smart and realize when to speak up and when to fall back.

You will never go wrong being professional. Just saying.

It might feel good in the moment, but there are cameras everywhere. Always assume there could be a permanent recording of what you say or do while we're working.

 

[10:30 resi]

Oh no I didn't realize that but thank you. I think they're just trying to intimidate the weak and hoping some will show up. The "steward" sitting in felt like a plant. He wasn't from my center and didn't say anything in anyone's defense to my knowlede. I know who it was he's a driver from the center next to me. Didn't know he's a steward tho. And he's a terrible one if he is.

I'll also be clear there wasn't a threat of discipline. The meeting just went you're required to work and call out in a timely fashion if you can't make it.

Yeah I'm in the center next to you. I wouldn't describe any of our stewards as active defenders. My center sent out a message at like 5pm to a group that we were required to work Saturday. No way I'm coming in. Lack of planning on their part doesn't constitute an emergency on my part. Need 48 hours of notice for a start time change, not to mention the 10 days MOA argument.

 

[MyTripisCut]

You can ask for a representative not only if the conversation could result in your discipline or termination but also if it could affect your personal working conditions. Did the steward say anything to your defense? I am asking because I would've told the company that you require 10 days of notice for a change of schedule per the MOA. Maybe not a winning argument but at least it's something if y'all had nothing elseView attachment 464714

You’re right, but you highlighted the wrong part. The next sentence in that memo is where the language loses its teeth. From article 11 section v:

(v) In any buildings without sufficient staffing to handle Saturday delivery needs after the process set forth above, the Local Union and the Company will meet and resolve on a local basis. If not re- solved within sixty (60) days of ratification, the matter may be re- ferred to the Co-Chairs of the National Negotiating Committee or their designees for resolution.


This was discussed earlier On BC, I think in November. If your building or area or local hasn’t resolved a lack of Saturday staffing, then this section applies. Sean pounded his chest on CNN saying no more sixth punches, no one hired before August 1 can be forced to Saturdays. It’s only half the story. You CAN be forced to a T-S schedule. I think the problem here is your local refuses to acknowledge this so the company is just forcing 6th punches. You guys need to get to a local union meeting ASAP! Demand some answers from your representatives.

 

[10:30 resi]

You should put in a 8 hour request for Thursday the 25th and come to the general membership meeting. Let our Eboard know how you feel about this issue and ask them how they plan on fixing it.

 

[MyTripisCut]

You should put in a 8 hour request for Thursday the 25th and come to the general membership meeting. Let our Eboard know how you feel about this issue and ask them how they plan on fixing it.

Yes!

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

You will never go wrong being professional. Just saying.

It might feel good in the moment, but there are cameras everywhere. Always assume there could be a permanent recording of what you say or do while we're working.

Thanks Dave

 

[10:30 resi]

You’re right, but you highlighted the wrong part. The next sentence in that memo is where the language looses its teeth. From article 11 section v:

(v) In any buildings without sufficient staffing to handle Saturday delivery needs after the process set forth above, the Local Union and the Company will meet and resolve on a local basis. If not re- solved within sixty (60) days of ratification, the matter may be re- ferred to the Co-Chairs of the National Negotiating Committee or their designees for resolution.


This was discussed earlier On BC, I think in November. If you’re building or area or local hasn’t resolved a lack of Saturday staffing, then this section applies. Sean pounded his chest on CNN saying no more sixth punches, no one hired before August 1 can be forced to Saturdays. It’s only half the story. You CAN be forced to a T-S schedule. I think the problem here is your local refuses to acknowledge this so the company is just forcing 6th punches. You guys need to get to a local union meeting ASAP! Demand some answers from your representatives.

You’re right, but you highlighted the wrong part. The next sentence in that memo is where the language loses its teeth. From article 11 section v:

(v) In any buildings without sufficient staffing to handle Saturday delivery needs after the process set forth above, the Local Union and the Company will meet and resolve on a local basis. If not re- solved within sixty (60) days of ratification, the matter may be re- ferred to the Co-Chairs of the National Negotiating Committee or their designees for resolution.


This was discussed earlier On BC, I think in November. If you’re building or area or local hasn’t resolved a lack of Saturday staffing, then this section applies. Sean pounded his chest on CNN saying no more sixth punches, no one hired before August 1 can be forced to Saturdays. It’s only half the story. You CAN be forced to a T-S schedule. I think the problem here is your local refuses to acknowledge this so the company is just forcing 6th punches. You guys need to get to a local union meeting ASAP! Demand some answers from your representatives.

I highlighted the part that says if they want to change his schedule they need to give him 10 days of notice

 

[MyTripisCut]

I highlighted the part that says if they want to change his schedule they need to give him 10 days of notice

Yes, but that pertained to the 42 day window after ratification in the memo, not the contract.

 

[Brownwind]

Just curious. Many of us are on the call in list for A. M. work and start our day between 6-6:45 and already have three hours in before we start our route. We get our hours in by Friday afternoon and Saturday isn’t an option even if we wanted to work.
My advice is get over 52.1 hours in when you punch out on Friday and this issue goes away. Remember you need eight hours available to punch in on Saturday.

If you have any seniority and wanna work then work Saturday. If you don’t want to then don’t. Up to you.

 

[PPH_over_9000]

Just curious. Many of us are on the call in list for A. M. work and start our day between 6-6:45 and already have three hours in before we start our route. We get our hours in by Friday afternoon and Saturday isn’t an option even if we wanted to work.
My advice is get over 52.1 hours in when you punch out on Friday and this issue goes away. Remember you need eight hours available to punch in on Saturday.

If you have any seniority and wanna work then work Saturday. If you don’t want to then don’t. Up to you.

So from what I've seen, people that run out of hours by the 6th punch are instructed to jump/help.

Seems like the only exception are the drivers at the very tippety top of the seniority list.

I just pace out my week, man. Whatever happens happens. They want me for 6? That's okay, not gona change my pace.

They message that this week's different and I don't have to report on Monday?

That's okay, not gonna change my pace.