realbrown1
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I wasn't talking about California.
XL Oil Pipeline
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oldngray
nowhere special
Senate report blasts Bold Nebraska as faux grassroots group
“It is nothing more than a shield for wealthy and distant non-Nebraskan interests who seek to advance a political agenda without drawing attention to the fact that they, too, are outsiders with little connection to the state,” the report says.
“While Bold Nebraska is essentially a tool for the Billionaire’s Club and their allies opposed to the Keystone XL pipeline, many in the state remain oblivious to this fact,” the report said. “Moreover, President Obama has supported Bold Nebraska and the billionaire funders’ efforts by not authorizing the pipeline despite broad public opinion favoring its construction.”
http://watchdog.org/162645/senate-report-blasts-bold-nebraska-faux-grassroots-group/
“It is nothing more than a shield for wealthy and distant non-Nebraskan interests who seek to advance a political agenda without drawing attention to the fact that they, too, are outsiders with little connection to the state,” the report says.
“While Bold Nebraska is essentially a tool for the Billionaire’s Club and their allies opposed to the Keystone XL pipeline, many in the state remain oblivious to this fact,” the report said. “Moreover, President Obama has supported Bold Nebraska and the billionaire funders’ efforts by not authorizing the pipeline despite broad public opinion favoring its construction.”
http://watchdog.org/162645/senate-report-blasts-bold-nebraska-faux-grassroots-group/
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
When your tap water ignites, will you still feel the same way? Republicans, short term profit at any cost, even if it kills an aquifer and sickens thousands.
realbrown1
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Babagounj
Strength through joy
Instead of derailing a post , how about answering the question instead ?
Oh, I forgot liberals only know how to avoid answers not do actual research on topics .
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Any post that starts out by calling someone a troll because they disagree with you is a derail in my opinion, that's why I rated it that way.
But since you asked I'll help you with your "research":
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fracking+tap+water
realbrown1
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Your link doesn't work.
Boy, you guys have big problems posting actual links that work.
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Nimnim
The Nim
The link works, but it's just another way to tell people to google "fracking tap water"
Why anyone would want to frack tap water is beyond me, but to each their own.
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Natural gas has built up in water lines for over a hundred years in certain oil and gas rich areas.
How long has fracking been around for?
How long has fracking been around for?
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
What a convenient "explanation". Natural gas isn't even the issue, and it doesn't combine with the aquifer. The problem is the chemicals injected under high-pressure into ground water and potentially, an aquifer.
God, you people will do ANYTHING to make a profit...even if it destroys the planet.
I'm thinking that's due to the power shift in the most recent election cycle?
oldngray
nowhere special
It is just an attempt to try to save Landrieu. Merely symbolic since Obama will veto. He has to protect his rich supporters invested in rail transport and appease his green base.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
I agree. A political "Hail Mary" from a corrupt Democratic politician trying to save her ass. I actually hope she loses, just for pulling a brazen stunt like this.
Sportello
Banned
I found this comment to be very interesting:
For transparency, I have worked in the Oilfield where the oil will come from, and in governmental affairs concerning oil. I no longer work in it and am now an avid environmentalist due largely to my previous work.
First off, don't get me wrong. I recognize the fact that without the oilsands the province I live in wouldn't be nearly as well off as we are now. I am not against pipelines or extracting oil resources, I am against improper environmental checks and balances that favour industry above all else. I am for science, sustainability, and using the best practices to ship and extract oil. There needs to be a balance, and so long as we let those with money call the shots, they will do as they please and it will be the taxpayers footing the dime when the
hits the fan.
If I were American I would be fighting this tooth and nail. Our provincial government has put industry above the environment and people for the past 30 years. Our federal government has eliminated a lot of environmental protections and is in a public relations war with environmental groups.
The same company who is proposing Keystone, TransCanada, recently made headlines in Canada along with our energy regulator, for not releasing information about a spill that happened 5 years ago. Our energy regulator, the NEB, withheld this information claiming it was an "administrative error” and delaying access to information as the negative publicity would put the proposed pipeline in jeopardy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/02/04/transcanada-pipeline-rupture_n_4722126.html
Another company in Alberta is still allowing a leak to continue after 9 months!
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/02/09/3268751/alberta-tar-sands-leaking/
The real winners if the pipeline gets approved? Not the working class who might get a few jobs, not the people who live in the states and provinces the pipeline will pass through. But shareholders to pipeline and oil companies, and oligarchies like the Koch brothers. The Koch brothers have bought up land in Alberta where the pipeline will pass through, and has been investing heavily into the oilsands in Alberta and stand to profit over $100 billion if it's approved.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/21/keystone-xl-koch-brothers_n_4136491.html
Yet, you're right about environmental cleanup and costs. Take a look what happened in Michigan, with the company being fined a measly $3.7 million.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/enbridge-faces-3-7m-fine-for-michigan-oil-spill-1.1246941
It's going to cost over $1 billion to clean it up, and who pays for it? Taxpayers.
http://desmog.ca/2013/08/26/official-price-enbridge-kalamazoo-spill-whopping-1-039-000-000
Not to mention the fact that the type of oil that will be shipped through this pipeline cannot be cleaned up. Diluted bitumen, tarsands or oilsands, is too thick to ship by itself and must be mixed with a bunch of other products. It sinks to the bed of waterways, making it near impossible to clean up.
http://www.desmog.ca/2014/01/14/it-s-official-federal-report-confirms-diluted-bitumen-sinks
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ediments-federal-report-says/article16335022/
Our neo-conservative government has allowed industry to write our environmental laws. They've repealed many regulations that made Canada a leader on environmental issues, and have done everything in their power to ram through these projects.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/energy-industry-letter-suggested-environmental-law-changes-1.1346258
In my province, the company leases land from the Alberta government, and it is federal law that they are to reclaim the land 100% once they leave it. The problem is you can't reclaim wetlands, where the oilsands are, and because of the cold it would take infinitely longer for the habitat to be reclaimed. Even with all that factored in, you will never reclaim a wetland 100% to what it originally was. It took a very long time for nature to do it on its own.
Here is a link that explores many of the environmental issues happening within Canada, concerning the federal and provincial government, how it will affect average Canadians, and the war of public relations with a collusion between government and industry, against environmentalists or scientists who go against their propaganda. It contains a lot of links and information. Our spy agency, similar to the NSA, is being used to spy on environmental groups who are causing problems with the government and industries propaganda. It is a scary time for the environment, when the people who are supposed to regulate industry and hold them to the fire, are directly working with them to subvert democracy and the right to a healthy ecosystem. The Canadian government uses taxpayers money to spend well over $100 million dollars solely to advertise our oil industry in the US and Canadian newspapers and TV instead of tightening regulations and spending that money on making industry less detrimental to the environment. Here in Canada we subsidize the oil industry to the tune of $32 Billion dollars, in the US it's even more.
This pipeline is good for rich people in both our countries. If trickle down economics was true, it would be good for everyone, despite the obvious environmental issues. Trickle down economics doesn't work. Thank you Americans, for fighting with us to protect this land in North America we call home.
For transparency, I have worked in the Oilfield where the oil will come from, and in governmental affairs concerning oil. I no longer work in it and am now an avid environmentalist due largely to my previous work.
First off, don't get me wrong. I recognize the fact that without the oilsands the province I live in wouldn't be nearly as well off as we are now. I am not against pipelines or extracting oil resources, I am against improper environmental checks and balances that favour industry above all else. I am for science, sustainability, and using the best practices to ship and extract oil. There needs to be a balance, and so long as we let those with money call the shots, they will do as they please and it will be the taxpayers footing the dime when the
hits the fan.If I were American I would be fighting this tooth and nail. Our provincial government has put industry above the environment and people for the past 30 years. Our federal government has eliminated a lot of environmental protections and is in a public relations war with environmental groups.
The same company who is proposing Keystone, TransCanada, recently made headlines in Canada along with our energy regulator, for not releasing information about a spill that happened 5 years ago. Our energy regulator, the NEB, withheld this information claiming it was an "administrative error” and delaying access to information as the negative publicity would put the proposed pipeline in jeopardy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/02/04/transcanada-pipeline-rupture_n_4722126.html
Another company in Alberta is still allowing a leak to continue after 9 months!
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/02/09/3268751/alberta-tar-sands-leaking/
The real winners if the pipeline gets approved? Not the working class who might get a few jobs, not the people who live in the states and provinces the pipeline will pass through. But shareholders to pipeline and oil companies, and oligarchies like the Koch brothers. The Koch brothers have bought up land in Alberta where the pipeline will pass through, and has been investing heavily into the oilsands in Alberta and stand to profit over $100 billion if it's approved.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/21/keystone-xl-koch-brothers_n_4136491.html
Yet, you're right about environmental cleanup and costs. Take a look what happened in Michigan, with the company being fined a measly $3.7 million.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/enbridge-faces-3-7m-fine-for-michigan-oil-spill-1.1246941
It's going to cost over $1 billion to clean it up, and who pays for it? Taxpayers.
http://desmog.ca/2013/08/26/official-price-enbridge-kalamazoo-spill-whopping-1-039-000-000
Not to mention the fact that the type of oil that will be shipped through this pipeline cannot be cleaned up. Diluted bitumen, tarsands or oilsands, is too thick to ship by itself and must be mixed with a bunch of other products. It sinks to the bed of waterways, making it near impossible to clean up.
http://www.desmog.ca/2014/01/14/it-s-official-federal-report-confirms-diluted-bitumen-sinks
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ediments-federal-report-says/article16335022/
Our neo-conservative government has allowed industry to write our environmental laws. They've repealed many regulations that made Canada a leader on environmental issues, and have done everything in their power to ram through these projects.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/energy-industry-letter-suggested-environmental-law-changes-1.1346258
In my province, the company leases land from the Alberta government, and it is federal law that they are to reclaim the land 100% once they leave it. The problem is you can't reclaim wetlands, where the oilsands are, and because of the cold it would take infinitely longer for the habitat to be reclaimed. Even with all that factored in, you will never reclaim a wetland 100% to what it originally was. It took a very long time for nature to do it on its own.
Here is a link that explores many of the environmental issues happening within Canada, concerning the federal and provincial government, how it will affect average Canadians, and the war of public relations with a collusion between government and industry, against environmentalists or scientists who go against their propaganda. It contains a lot of links and information. Our spy agency, similar to the NSA, is being used to spy on environmental groups who are causing problems with the government and industries propaganda. It is a scary time for the environment, when the people who are supposed to regulate industry and hold them to the fire, are directly working with them to subvert democracy and the right to a healthy ecosystem. The Canadian government uses taxpayers money to spend well over $100 million dollars solely to advertise our oil industry in the US and Canadian newspapers and TV instead of tightening regulations and spending that money on making industry less detrimental to the environment. Here in Canada we subsidize the oil industry to the tune of $32 Billion dollars, in the US it's even more.
This pipeline is good for rich people in both our countries. If trickle down economics was true, it would be good for everyone, despite the obvious environmental issues. Trickle down economics doesn't work. Thank you Americans, for fighting with us to protect this land in North America we call home.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
Thank you for adding to the conversation is such a substantive manner. You are a true asset to this forum. Dave.
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