Act Section 806

[soberups]

$%#&@

 

[chopstic]

Its kind of funny considering that UPS does everything they can to pay us less money, make us work long hours overtime, and layoff as many workers as possible. But they actually care about the well being of FedEx employees. Sounds like UPS cares more for FedEx employees than its own employees.

 

[soberups]

i It seems selfish - I'll keep collecting my paycheck while someone else does the work. That sounds like a (((union))) attitude. Don't take that the wrong way.

Sounds to me like you just described your own "job"....you sit on your ass in an air-conditioned office and collect a commission while someone else (((union))) does the actual work.

Dont take that the wrong way.

 

[soberups]

Im thankful UPS pays my check; they work my tail off and I help them turn a profit. You want loyalty, start by showing some. Live by the contract you agreed to

That mentality will be pretty much impossible to find amongst sales reps.

The thing is, they are little more than glorified used-car salesmen. They serve as middlemen, doing nothing but taking up space between the customer and the actual provider of the goods or services. They add no value to the transaction; their existence merely drains profits away from the company while adding cost to the customer. Unlike the driver who actually does the work...or the supervisor, who sees to it that the work is done in an efficient and profitable manner....the sales rep is merely a parasite who feeds off of the labor of others for its sustenenance.

The concept of working hard and honoring the terms of a contract is totally alien to such specimens. They simply cannot comprehend it.

 

[soberups]

i make my drivers money, don't worry about that.

I believe you have that backwards.

 

[JimJimmyJames]

I think we should all remember that the old saying "my enemies enemy is my friend" might work here.

Management and hourly should be on the same page in this fight. If we attain victory, then we can go back to being at each others throats.

 

[brett636]

I was going to write these letters on my own, but when a supervisor presented me with the opportunity to write them while at work I gladly took him up on his offer.

 

[UnconTROLLed]

you might be the problem, bud.

Fair enough; I might be. Concievably, you may be the problem too.

All I do is go to work every day and try to go home. In my work all I see are unsafe work areas and unsafe conditions. This is what I see and deal with every day for 8 hours. I am not on the road driving right now so this is not the POV of a driver.

My point is, UPS should spend time fixing their own problems. Now suddenly, the Teamsters ( who I am hardly a spirited supporter of ) AND UPS want my and everyones support on a very touchy issue.

What happens , hypothetically, after Fedex Exp negotiates with the Teamsters and comes up with a $22/hr or $26/hr top driver rate? In 2012 when it is time for UPS and the Teamsters to go to the table and UPSs profits are at a record 50 billion a year and top driver rate is $32/hr they will unsavorably request concessions from the Teamters. "Well FedEx drivers doing the same job under the same act are making $22/hr, so we want some give backs"

Imagine that, 1997 all over again...UPSs best and final offer spitting in the face of the letter-writers!

All I have to say is, take care of your own house first

 

[chopstic]

Fair enough; I might be. Concievably, you may be the problem too.

All I do is go to work every day and try to go home. In my work all I see are unsafe work areas and unsafe conditions. This is what I see and deal with every day for 8 hours. I am not on the road driving right now so this is not the POV of a driver.

My point is, UPS should spend time fixing their own problems. Now suddenly, the Teamsters ( who I am hardly a spirited supporter of ) AND UPS want my and everyones support on a very touchy issue.

What happens , hypothetically, after Fedex Exp negotiates with the Teamsters and comes up with a $22/hr or $26/hr top driver rate? In 2012 when it is time for UPS and the Teamsters to go to the table and UPSs profits are at a record 50 billion a year and top driver rate is $32/hr they will unsavorably request concessions from the Teamters. "Well FedEx drivers doing the same job under the same act are making $22/hr, so we want some give backs"

Imagine that, 1997 all over again...UPSs best and final offer spitting in the face of the letter-writers!

All I have to say is, take care of your own house first

It does seem like there may be a conflict of interest if teamsters picks them up as well. I think it would be better if FedEx organized under a different union, that is, if they decide to unionize at all.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

It does seem like there may be a conflict of interest if teamsters picks them up as well. I think it would be better if FedEx organized under a different union, that is, if they decide to unionize at all.

I would advise them to avoid the UAW.

Obviously they are going to organize under the Teamsters and, yes, this will end up biting us in the butt come 2013.

 

[soberups]

What happens , hypothetically, after Fedex Exp negotiates with the Teamsters and comes up with a $22/hr or $26/hr top driver rate? In 2012 when it is time for UPS and the Teamsters to go to the table and UPSs profits are at a record 50 billion a year and top driver rate is $32/hr they will unsavorably request concessions from the Teamters. "Well FedEx drivers doing the same job under the same act are making $22/hr, so we want some give backs"

If UPS is making "record" profits in 2012, they will be in no position to demand concessions. The last thing that the company would want would be for those profits to be taken away by a strike.

Fedex drivers already do the "same job" for less money, and have for years. The fact that they may wind up being in the same union and under the same labor act as us will have no bearing on negotiations. Nothing will have changed except that their drivers will be making more money if they organize.

Fedex currently has an advantage over us in terms of labor costs. If they are able to organize and collectively negotiate an increase in their wages, that cost advantage will be degraded and UPS will benefit.

 

[Mike23]

Shouldn't all those sups be termed for 'stealing time'? I mean wouldn't it be simpler to, I dunno, write a template letter and just get all the UPS employees to sign them?

 

[BLACKBOX]

....the sales rep is merely a parasite who feeds off of the labor of others for its sustenenance.


OOOhhhhhh........snap!

 

[UnconTROLLed]

If UPS is making "record" profits in 2012, they will be in no position to demand concessions. The last thing that the company would want would be for those profits to be taken away by a strike.

Fedex drivers already do the "same job" for less money, and have for years. The fact that they may wind up being in the same union and under the same labor act as us will have no bearing on negotiations. Nothing will have changed except that their drivers will be making more money if they organize.

Fedex currently has an advantage over us in terms of labor costs. If they are able to organize and collectively negotiate an increase in their wages, that cost advantage will be degraded and UPS will benefit.

I am in complete agreement with you and most UPS'ers, that FedEx delivery drivers and sorters etc should be piegeonholed under the NLRA and not the RLA

I see you are speaking in absolutes. Risky when dealing with this company!

My question is, for ex: what happened when UPS wasn't honoring the 22.3 jobs in 1999? What caused UPS to say "volume was down", yet, with record profits,and not fufill their end of the bargain?

Are you telling me the company has changed in the last 10 years? Just sayin'..

 

[UnconTROLLed]

oops duplicate post

 

[Babagounj]

This message came across my DIAD yesterday
All those that wrote letters this morning remember your 9.5 is 7pm

 

[Ashell]

"Select" co-workers of mine were asked to fill out letters like you are talking about. I was curious as to what section 806 actually said since often UPS flat out lies to us. Here it is:

(a) In General- Section 201 of the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 181) is amended--
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(1) by striking ‘All’ and inserting ‘(a) In General- All’;

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(2) by inserting ‘and every express carrier’ after ‘common carrier by air’; and

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(3) by adding at the end the following:

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‘(b) Special Rules for Express Carriers-
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‘(1) IN GENERAL- An employee of an express carrier shall be covered by this Act only if that employee is in a position that is eligible for certification under part 61, 63, or 65 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, and only if that employee performs duties for the express carrier that are eligible for such certification. All other employees of an express carrier shall be covered by the provisions of the National Labor Relations Act (29 U.S.C. 151 et seq.).

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‘(2) AIR CARRIER STATUS- Any person that is an express carrier shall be governed by paragraph (1) notwithstanding any finding that the person is also a common carrier by air.


‘(3) EXPRESS CARRIER DEFINED- In this section, the term ‘express carrier’ means any person (or persons affiliated through common control or ownership) whose primary business is the express shipment of freight or packages through an integrated network of air and surface transportation.’.


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(b) Conforming Amendment- Section 1 of such Act (45 U.S.C. 151) is amended in the first paragraph by striking ‘, any express company that would have been subject to subtitle IV of title 49, United States Code, as of December 31, 1995,’.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-915

I agree with the other people that have said, UPS needs to clean up their act instead of crying about how things are unfair. I have no sympathy for UPS. I don't really understand how this unfairly gives FedEX an advantage. Maybe someone else that knows legalees can explain it.

I would also like to know, what is this 3.5 hours rule? Does that apply to air hubs? Its nice to know that managers shave time at other hubs too. I thought it was just my hub that was shady. If you have to steal from your own employees, maybe you are doing something wrong.

 

[UPSBOT]

We were not allowed to write the letters on the clock. Our center manager instructed us to take them home and write them over the weekend. He said the two letters should not take more than five to six minutes to write. We were given two envelopes but they forgot the stamps.

 

[MonavieLeaker]

Shouldn't all those sups be termed for 'stealing time'? I mean wouldn't it be simpler to, I dunno, write a template letter and just get all the UPS employees to sign them?

This is UPS...We dont allow logic and common sense here

 

[tieguy]

Don't hate on sleeve for being real. UPS has real problems they need to address. The only way they address them are by guys like sleeve who file on their b*s, but I don't think that means other issues cannot be addressed outside of the workplace (like RLA).

you guys realize this bill helps the union more then it helps ups?