Another WIN!

[MrFedEx]

It's a no brainer that you only have a job in this scam because your daddy, Fred pays off politicians.

So true. Ground is a scam, without a doubt. But the scam lives, primarily because Fred S wields the type of power that he does. Just like the RLA over at Express, Smith has built an incredible legal/political arsenal which he levels at whomever dares to threaten his illegitimate business models.

 

[purplesky]

If the Teamsters were trying to help, they would be organizing Express. The union IS a business.

The union is a non for profit organization that represents workers.

They are advocacy groups. Labor Unions are classified by the IRS as 501(c)5. Nonprofits have a different classification 501(c)3. Labor Unions are a citizen sector organization. They are neither nonprofit or for profit, but they are non-for-profit.

The Teamsters are not a business or a corporation.

The workers at Express should have gotten off their ass years ago to organize a union. UNIONS ARE WORKERS. IF A CERTAIN WORKFORCE DOESNT HAVE THE COURAGE AND PASSION TO ORGANIZE THEN A LABOR ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION LIKE THE TEAMSTERS CANT HELP.

The fast food workers protesting out in the streets have more balls than the workers at FDX Express.

 

[vantexan]

I hope this isn't too off topic I'm full-time with Express(soon to be part-time)I've had enough of the forced overtime games etc...
Anyhow what will happen when Obamacare goes into effect?
Will Ground be affected by the fact that full-time employees will have to be covered by employers with healthcare or do they get around that somehow

Since your contractor is your employer, and he has less than 50 employees, he won't have to provide healthcare for you. But you will have to for yourself or pay a fine. If I remember right the fine starts small, less than $100 a year, but zooms up to close to $700 a year in several years. And that is for you, your spouse, and each of your children. A family of four that cannot afford coverage will get slammed by fines. If I remember right a couple who's gross income is less than $19,500 a year won't have to carry insurance or pay the fine. So basically the working man will shoulder the burden of this system.

 

[purplesky]

Since your contractor is your employer, and he has less than 50 employees, he won't have to provide healthcare for you. But you will have to for yourself or pay a fine. If I remember right the fine starts small, less than $100 a year, but zooms up to close to $700 a year in several years. And that is for you, your spouse, and each of your children. A family of four that cannot afford coverage will get slammed by fines. If I remember right a couple who's gross income is less than $19,500 a year won't have to carry insurance or pay the fine. So basically the working man will shoulder the burden of this system.

Its possible that Obamacare could end up really helping workers in some states. It looks like the Blue states are expecting reasonable healthcare exchange costs. Nobody really knows yet.

The RED states that are making Obamacare just political and not giving it a fair chance will just hurt their workers initially but if Obamacare does end up working the red states will have no choice but to stop playing politics with healthcare.

It is really sad that so many young FDX ground workers are destroying their knees and backs and shoulders and dont realize how expensive their healthcare is going to be when they get into their 40s and 50s.
It seems like atleast 1/3 of UPSERS I know have had some type of surgery or health issue due to working in the package delivery industry.

So hopefully some kind of national healthcare will be available to them.

 

[MrFedEx]

The union is a non for profit organization that represents workers.

They are advocacy groups. Labor Unions are classified by the IRS as 501(c)5. Nonprofits have a different classification 501(c)3. Labor Unions are a citizen sector organization. They are neither nonprofit or for profit, but they are non-for-profit.

The Teamsters are not a business or a corporation.

The workers at Express should have gotten off their ass years ago to organize a union. UNIONS ARE WORKERS. IF A CERTAIN WORKFORCE DOESNT HAVE THE COURAGE AND PASSION TO ORGANIZE THEN A LABOR ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION LIKE THE TEAMSTERS CANT HELP.

The fast food workers protesting out in the streets have more balls than the workers at FDX Express.

Tax-status aside, the IBT is most definitely a business. And while it's certainly true that Express workers sat on their hands for decades, a big part of the reason was an oppressive anti-union culture at FedEx that almost guaranteed termination for those that advocated for a union. That's illegal, but it has never stopped Express management from terrorizing those that understood Mr. Smith many years ago and wanted to stop him.

The IBT won't touch Express because Fred S has his RLA Kryptonite that will paralyze any effort to organize. While I strongly believe that a vast majority of Express workers would sign cards and vote for a union NOW, that wasn't the case even a year ago. R1a was correct when he said that the IBT isn't going to undertake a national Express organization drive because it would be a bad "investment". They don't see a payoff for them, which would be tens of thousands of dues-paying new members that would pump new life into a moribund IBT that is losing membership every year.

Until Smith's political power gets checked, we are up Creek without a paddle.

 

[CJinx]

The fast food workers protesting out in the streets have more balls than the workers at FDX Express.

The fast food workers have nothing to lose but their minimum wage jobs.

 

[bbsam]

So true. Ground is a scam, without a doubt. But the scam lives, primarily because Fred S wields the type of power that he does. Just like the RLA over at Express, Smith has built an incredible legal/political arsenal which he levels at whomever dares to threaten his illegitimate business models.

A scam like what? Casinos? Lottery?

 

[purplesky]

Tax-status aside, the IBT is most definitely a business. And while it's certainly true that Express workers sat on their hands for decades, a big part of the reason was an oppressive anti-union culture at FedEx that almost guaranteed termination for those that advocated for a union. That's illegal, but it has never stopped Express management from terrorizing those that understood Mr. Smith many years ago and wanted to stop him.

The IBT won't touch Express because Fred S has his RLA Kryptonite that will paralyze any effort to organize. While I strongly believe that a vast majority of Express workers would sign cards and vote for a union NOW, that wasn't the case even a year ago. R1a was correct when he said that the IBT isn't going to undertake a national Express organization drive because it would be a bad "investment". They don't see a payoff for them, which would be tens of thousands of dues-paying new members that would pump new life into a moribund IBT that is losing membership every year.

Until Smith's political power gets checked, we are up Creek without a paddle.

The Teamsters DO NOT EXIST TO MAKE A PROFIT AS A CITIZEN SECTOR ORGANIZATION. THAT IS THE REAL ISSUE HERE. Yes they have bldgs and printers and people that get a salary to run the labor advocacy group that is the IBT. BUT ITS THE MEMBERS THAT MAKE UP THE IBT. I AM ONE OF THEM AND I DO NOT BELONG TO A BUSINESS IN THE TRUE SENSE OF THE WORD. I WORK FOR A BUSINESS. UPS.

Sorry but a LABOR ADVOCACY GROUP IS NOT A BUSINESS IN THE TRUE SENSE. MY UNION DUES EQUAL ONLY 1 TAKEHOME PAYCHECK PER YEAR! THAT IS NOTHING. UNION DUES DO NOT BY DESIGN PRODUCE A PROFIT.

FDX Express workers decades ago had a sweet gig and America was a much different place for workers. If the workers at Express actually got some traction in organizing the IBT would be all over it.

Labor movements are started by workers and finished by workers. FDXs workforce will need to rise up and get it done. SO FAR THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING.

ONE REALLY IMPORTANT THING HERE IS THAT LABOR IN AMERICA HAS NO REAL VOICE. THATS ALL LABOR INCLUDING NON UNION WORKERS.

People talk about Obama being such a big liberal and for the most part he and Biden have just sat on their hands and watched the American worker get crushed by Corporate capitolism.

 

[purplesky]

The fast food workers have nothing to lose but their minimum wage jobs.

FDX ground workers are right there with them. Some fast food places pay close to fdx ground wages.

 

[MAKAVELI]

The fast food workers have nothing to lose but their minimum wage jobs.

FDX ground workers are right there with them. Some fast food places pay close to fdx ground wages.

CJ are you really that ignorant? Those workers making min wage have more to lose as they are living on the edge of poverty and being homeless. It takes much more balls to be in their position and stand up for themselves then many of us in Express.

 

[CJinx]

CJ are you really that ignorant? Those workers making min wage have more to lose as they are living on the edge of poverty and being homeless. It takes much more balls to be in their position and stand up for themselves then many of us in Express.

I meant that it's a crap job that is replaced as quickly as it is gained, and widely recognized as a job most high school students take up in their last few years in school. Somebody getting canned at McDonalds in the morning can be working at Dunkin' Donuts that afternoon. Unless you decided to go into management or corporate, working for a Mickie D's franchise just doesn't strike me as lucrative.

 

[MrFedEx]

The Teamsters DO NOT EXIST TO MAKE A PROFIT AS A CITIZEN SECTOR ORGANIZATION. THAT IS THE REAL ISSUE HERE. Yes they have bldgs and printers and people that get a salary to run the labor advocacy group that is the IBT. BUT ITS THE MEMBERS THAT MAKE UP THE IBT. I AM ONE OF THEM AND I DO NOT BELONG TO A BUSINESS IN THE TRUE SENSE OF THE WORD. I WORK FOR A BUSINESS. UPS.

Sorry but a LABOR ADVOCACY GROUP IS NOT A BUSINESS IN THE TRUE SENSE. MY UNION DUES EQUAL ONLY 1 TAKEHOME PAYCHECK PER YEAR! THAT IS NOTHING. UNION DUES DO NOT BY DESIGN PRODUCE A PROFIT.

FDX Express workers decades ago had a sweet gig and America was a much different place for workers. If the workers at Express actually got some traction in organizing the IBT would be all over it.

Labor movements are started by workers and finished by workers. FDXs workforce will need to rise up and get it done. SO FAR THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING.

ONE REALLY IMPORTANT THING HERE IS THAT LABOR IN AMERICA HAS NO REAL VOICE. THATS ALL LABOR INCLUDING NON UNION WORKERS.

People talk about Obama being such a big liberal and for the most part he and Biden have just sat on their hands and watched the American worker get crushed by Corporate capitolism.

At UPS, the Teamsters were basically invited-in by Mr. Casey...check your history. Nobody put up a fight, and there was no UPS "special" legislation in place to block the IBT. In other words, a very different situation. You are comparing apples and orangutans here...an invalid analogy. UPS workers did not "rise up", nor did they have a corporate culture that disciplined and/or eliminated workers who wanted to organize. You have no knowledge of the way FedEx Express works, nor have you apparently ever worked there.

FedEx workers are "rising-up" to a greater extent than ever, but there is no national organization to guide and spearhead that spirit of defiance. I agree that Obama has been a zero as far as labor goes. Smith "bought" Obama when BHO called Mr. Smith an "excellent CEO" a year or so ago, a ringing endorsement for FedEx policies and a tacit resignation from the FedEx labor issue by Obama. Mr. Obama is content with an economy where we have crap $10-$14 per hour jobs being created by corporate criminals like Fred S (and others).

 

[MrFedEx]

I meant that it's a crap job that is replaced as quickly as it is gained, and widely recognized as a job most high school students take up in their last few years in school. Somebody getting canned at McDonalds in the morning can be working at Dunkin' Donuts that afternoon. Unless you decided to go into management or corporate, working for a Mickie D's franchise just doesn't strike me as lucrative.

Your driver co-workers make a real wage of approximately $10 per hour in most cases, quite close to the minimum wage in many states. If you also consider the fact that they have zero benefits, their true wage falls short of someone who works for a company that provides some form of benefits, whether those be tuition assistance, reduced-cost or free food while at work, or actual benefits.

 

[CJinx]

Your driver co-workers make a real wage of approximately $10 per hour in most cases, quite close to the minimum wage in many states. If you also consider the fact that they have zero benefits, their true wage falls short of someone who works for a company that provides some form of benefits, whether those be tuition assistance, reduced-cost or free food while at work, or actual benefits.

I don't have any driver co-workers at Ground, because we don't employ any.

 

[HomeDelivery]

I don't have any driver co-workers at Ground, because we don't employ any.

peak season hiring (via temp agencies) are starting to pop-up a month early this year!

 

[purplesky]

At UPS, the Teamsters were basically invited-in by Mr. Casey...check your history. Nobody put up a fight, and there was no UPS "special" legislation in place to block the IBT. In other words, a very different situation. You are comparing apples and orangutans here...an invalid analogy. UPS workers did not "rise up", nor did they have a corporate culture that disciplined and/or eliminated workers who wanted to organize. You have no knowledge of the way FedEx Express works, nor have you apparently ever worked there.

FedEx workers are "rising-up" to a greater extent than ever, but there is no national organization to guide and spearhead that spirit of defiance. I agree that Obama has been a zero as far as labor goes. Smith "bought" Obama when BHO called Mr. Smith an "excellent CEO" a year or so ago, a ringing endorsement for FedEx policies and a tacit resignation from the FedEx labor issue by Obama. Mr. Obama is content with an economy where we have crap $10-$14 per hour jobs being created by corporate criminals like Fred S (and others).

America was in a different place back then MrFDX. AMERICA RESPECTED UNIONS. Unions were not being CONSTANTLY attacked and demonized on wingnut radio and Fox news on a daily basis like they are now.

UPS workers did go on strike. THAT IS A FIGHT AND A RISE UP.

Look, no offense to FDX Express workers. But they just havent gotten it done. Yes easy for me to say. I know.

What exactly do I need to know about working at Express? I have worked side by side with Express guys for many years and have had neighbors who worked for Express for over 20 years.

​Hopefully FDX workers will somehow find a way to organize.

 

[bbsam]

Yes. America was in a different spot, companies evolved but unions stood flat footed. Where were the national organizing campaigns over the decades, not only for Fedex, but for all working Americans? I think the consensus is that they just stopped caring about "growing the business" and got fat, dumb and slow.