APWA in New Orleans

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Usually the people that oppose something new so aggresively, such as Brett, are the ones that have the most to lose as a result of the change that might take place. I'm wondering where his fear of change is comming from.

 

[brett636]

NO BRETT,

Before myself or anyone else elaborates on the APWA info, let us elaborate on the fact that you are always on this board claiming to have the "FACTS" when in all true, all you are doing is spewing Teamster lies in true Teamster fashion in order to mislead people.
NOW ADMIT IT!!!!
"Your" statment that the APWA only address one issue (the pension) is a bond face lie!
Come on, ADMIT IT!!! We're waiting.

Well, lets see. What is their only battle cry? Its the pension. What is the only thing listed on their website as their main goal? the pension. what does every APWA loser/supporter say when you bash their non-union? How the teamsters are ruining the pension. Maybe your counting skills are poor, but I only see one issue mentioned. Only one issue that they care to elaborate about. Everything else is just shrugged off as non-important details. The pension is their only platform. PERIOD!

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Well, lets see. What is their only battle cry? Its the pension. What is the only thing listed on their website as their main goal? the pension. what does every APWA loser/supporter say when you bash their non-union? How the teamsters are ruining the pension. Maybe your counting skills are poor, but I only see one issue mentioned. Only one issue that they care to elaborate about. Everything else is just shrugged off as non-important details. The pension is their only platform. PERIOD!

That may be their platform but I'm willing to bet that it's not all they have planned for us. The thing that IBT supporters should be worried about is that the APWA seems more concerned about the pension than the IBT is.

 

[brett636]

That may be their platform but I'm willing to bet that it's not all they have planned for us. The thing that IBT supporters should be worried about is that the APWA seems more concerned about the pension than the IBT is.

Then why don't they elaborate on those issues as well? To someone such as myself the pension is only one issue of many. As a fulltime hourly employee I am quite happy with my wages, health benefits, vacations, etc. and I don't care to risk losing all those over this pension issue. My pension has not been abolished or cut for that matter because I have a healthy 401k and other things going for me. Coupling that with the fact that this non-union organization has not represented a single person on this planet proves to me that they are not the answer to our problems.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Then why don't they elaborate on those issues as well? To someone such as myself the pension is only one issue of many. As a fulltime hourly employee I am quite happy with my wages, health benefits, vacations, etc. and I don't care to risk losing all those over this pension issue. My pension has not been abolished or cut for that matter because I have a healthy 401k and other things going for me. Coupling that with the fact that this non-union organization has not represented a single person on this planet proves to me that they are not the answer to our problems.

The pension is just their platform. When they start getting more support and eventually become a true threat they will HAVE to present us with their ideas and ask for ours as well. I mean come on. Do you honestly think they want to go to the negotiating table without even presenting the employees with their ideas and also asking for the ideas of the employess? The pension platform is just the beginning. You'll start seeing more contract issues come up once, if, they are getting enough support.

 

[pkgdriver]

Then why don't they elaborate on those issues as well? To someone such as myself the pension is only one issue of many. As a fulltime hourly employee I am quite happy with my wages, health benefits, vacations, etc. and I don't care to risk losing all those over this pension issue. My pension has not been abolished or cut for that matter because I have a healthy 401k and other things going for me. Coupling that with the fact that this non-union organization has not represented a single person on this planet proves to me that they are not the answer to our problems.

I have a healthy 401k but my pension has been cut. What does the 401k have to do with pension monies?? Ill say it again give ME my pension contributions...ME

 

[brett636]

I have a healthy 401k but my pension has been cut. What does the 401k have to do with pension monies?? Ill say it again give ME my pension contributions...ME

Why should I risk what I have now and my future potential due to your poor planning? I know fulltimers with 401ks who contribute way too little to make it effective. Also, keep in mind that you never put a dollar in the pension fund. Not one red cent in any pension fund has your name on it. what you recieve can be changed at anytime regardless of what status the fund is in, and its even more likely with new pension protection legislation that allows plans to cut accrued benefits instead of just future promised benefits. Pensions are a dinosaur thats now showing its age and frailty. Its time to think more about our individual future retirement plans instead of allowing others to think for you.

 

[sawdusttv]

Brett, Where do you come up with these lamebrain ideas?

Not one red cent in any pension fund has our name on it?

I don't know about you, but I get a financial statment from the company each year. In this statment it shows my wages, plus a monetary value of my health care, and MY PENSION,
Then it takes all three figures and adds them together and gives me a total value of my EARNED INCOME. Therefore, my healthcare and pension have been contributed in my name, on my behalf.
This thing of it being the funds money and not our money is a BOLD FACED LIE that the Teamsters have tried to brainwash people into believing so that the members don't start stringing people up at the union halls.
So, are we going to believe the people that pay these wages to us, that it is our money, or the Teamsters that steal it from us?

 

[brownmonster]

You get a Social Security statement also. That is your money. Do you think you will see any of it? Right now some slob claiming to be disabled is at the local casino running your share through a slot machine. As soon as the fund at the APWA gets big enough someone will start the skimming. They call them mgmnt fees. I'm with Brett and PKGdriver. GIVE ME MY MONEY!

 

[sawdusttv]

I agree with that, I would love for them to give the money to us instead, but just because they are stealing it from us does not mean that it isn't our money, and right now the Teamsters are the people that are stealing our money so they are the ones that need to be stopped. There are to many people sitting back and saying that because it is the Teamsters, there is nothing that we can do about it.
There is something that we can do about it,
and when they cut our pensions and it will happen to all of you if things remain the same. Just ask the New York Fund, they thought like the rest of you. There fund was strong with no cuts, and yet their fund was cut, it's only a matter of time.
The APWA is trying to do something about it. I'm not saying that it is a flawless plan, but with time and effort on our part we can make it what we the employees of UPS want it to be.

 

[3brownstars]

There are a few points I would like to bring up about the future of our pension under the control of the APWA.

First is the future coruption that some are eluding to. There are checks and balances in the structure of the APWA to keep coruption out. One role of the Founding Charter Members is to be a watch dog group, to safeguard against coruption,(power in the hands of the members). Another safeguard against coruption is that every UPS facility will have at least one delegate at the APWA convention,(again, power in the hands of the members). Give the members a voice and the power to guard against the coruption and you can bet they will do just that.

The second point. You only get ONE pension. If you are the president of the APWA, ONE pension. If you are a rgional manager, ONE pension. If you are a b.a., feeder driver, pkg driver, 22.3 combo, etc... ONE PENSION! That way every one is fighting for that one pension to be the very best that it can be. Sounds like the APWA is asking people to have some personal responsibility, keep an eye on what their union is doing, and not just let somone do all the thinking for them.

Remember folks, to be an officer in the APWA, you have to work at UPS a minimum of 10 years. That means everyone involved knows the job that we do. Blistering hot days in the back of a package car, rain soaked evenings finishing a section of residentials, over night runs in a feeder with the roads covered in ice and snow, missed school plays, missed sporting events or the numerous other things I could list that people don't think of unless they have done our jobs, how many people representing "your best intrest" know anthing about what I have listed? I want people representing me at every level that know what my workday is like.

 

[pkgdriver]

Why should I risk what I have now and my future potential due to your poor planning? I know fulltimers with 401ks who contribute way too little to make it effective. Also, keep in mind that you never put a dollar in the pension fund. Not one red cent in any pension fund has your name on it. what you recieve can be changed at anytime regardless of what status the fund is in, and its even more likely with new pension protection legislation that allows plans to cut accrued benefits instead of just future promised benefits. Pensions are a dinosaur thats now showing its age and frailty. Its time to think more about our individual future retirement plans instead of allowing others to think for you.

What poor planning are you talking about sir??? My 401k contribution has been maxed out since its inception. 25% right now. Yes pensions are a dinosaur mabey even a Ponzi type scheme. Please elaborate on the poor planning and who worked for my pension contribution this week???

 

[brett636]

Brett, Where do you come up with these lamebrain ideas?

Not one red cent in any pension fund has our name on it?

I don't know about you, but I get a financial statment from the company each year. In this statment it shows my wages, plus a monetary value of my health care, and MY PENSION,
Then it takes all three figures and adds them together and gives me a total value of my EARNED INCOME. Therefore, my healthcare and pension have been contributed in my name, on my behalf.
This thing of it being the funds money and not our money is a BOLD FACED LIE that the Teamsters have tried to brainwash people into believing so that the members don't start stringing people up at the union halls.
So, are we going to believe the people that pay these wages to us, that it is our money, or the Teamsters that steal it from us?

You obviously have no clue as to how a pension actually works. A pension is a big pot, there are no individual accounts, no person has their name on any number of dollars in the pot. You only accrue credit for years of service based on whatever the pension is paying out. Its funny how you call my ideas lamebrain, yet the only feeble mind I see is your own.

 

[brett636]

What poor planning are you talking about sir??? My 401k contribution has been maxed out since its inception. 25% right now. Yes pensions are a dinosaur mabey even a Ponzi type scheme. Please elaborate on the poor planning and who worked for my pension contribution this week???

Its amazing your willing to risk what you have to this organization based on a single issue. Sure their numbers seem great, but can they really acheive it? That question can't be answered because they have no history to fall back on. Read my thread "The union and the financial advisor" to see what I am getting at. Its not rocket science, just common sense.

 

[pkgdriver]

brett636 Quote:
Originally Posted by pkgdriver
What poor planning are you talking about sir??? My 401k contribution has been maxed out since its inception. 25% right now. Yes pensions are a dinosaur mabey even a Ponzi type scheme. Please elaborate on the poor planning and who worked for my pension contribution this week???

Its amazing your willing to risk what you have to this organization based on a single issue. Sure their numbers seem great, but can they really acheive it? That question can't be answered because they have no history to fall back on. Read my thread "The union and the financial advisor" to see what I am getting at. Its not rocket science, just common sense.
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OK...Im still looking for my poor planning Brett!!!!!! Ill say it again.... Maxed out 401k since its inception...Did I mention some other entity(APWA) to manage my pension??? I dont see where i did. Do I have to post SLOWER????

 

[brett636]

brett636 Quote:
Originally Posted by pkgdriver
What poor planning are you talking about sir??? My 401k contribution has been maxed out since its inception. 25% right now. Yes pensions are a dinosaur mabey even a Ponzi type scheme. Please elaborate on the poor planning and who worked for my pension contribution this week???

Its amazing your willing to risk what you have to this organization based on a single issue. Sure their numbers seem great, but can they really acheive it? That question can't be answered because they have no history to fall back on. Read my thread "The union and the financial advisor" to see what I am getting at. Its not rocket science, just common sense.
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OK...Im still looking for my poor planning Brett!!!!!! Ill say it again.... Maxed out 401k since its inception...Did I mention some other entity(APWA) to manage my pension??? I dont see where i did. Do I have to post SLOWER????

Doh! thats my fault for getting overzealous with my replies and grouping you in with the other APWA cheerleaders. I apologize and retract my previous statements.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

You guys are missing the point. I agree that we should have other investments, but let's just stick to the pension problem right now. UPS has lived up to their contractual obligations. They give more than enough money to fully fund a decent pension for all of us. However, the Teamsters have destroyed a benefit that we should be receiving. It doesn't matter if you have millions of dollars in other investments. When we started working for UPS, we were told we would receive benefits in the form of medical and pension. They are now being cut, not by UPS, but by the people (Teamsters) who we "trust" to manage our funds. If they can't manage our money properly, then it is time to have someone else do it.

Give it up man. They just don't get it. They don't seem to be capable of seperating the concept of a pension from personal savings. Maybe it's because they are the typical brainwashed die-hard Teamsters. So of course they are going to take up for the IBT no matter how corrupt they are. It reminds of the lawyer that knows his client is quilty of child molestation but defends them anyway. The only difference is, and this is the part I don't understand, that the lawyers are required by law to defend the guilty....these guys are not. So why do they do it?

 

[satellitedriver]

It has come to my attention that both these clowns who have started this apwa, have never been a dues paying member of the IBT! They have free-loaded on the backs of there fellow employees for 20 plus years, and now they are mad about there pension! They were never involved with the union before and now they are only concerned, because there lack of involvement and cheapness has caused them some financial harm! They have never cared about anything but themselves, do not fall for there B.S.! They should have invested that money they didn't pay in dues! It would be a tidy sum with compound interest! They are nothing more than scabs! Two non-union guys trying to start a union! What a joke!

Whoever brought this to your attention was lying and you are trying to spread it around. I wonder what organization would want to do that?
For the last 10yrs I have invested the monies that I refused to keep giving the teamsters after the '97 strike. You are correct. It does add up to a nice chunk of change, but sadly not enough to cover the loss that the teamsters "won" for us UPSERS in '97. I was a member of IBT for 11yrs and that is a mistake I will not make again.

 

[705red]

Whoever brought this to your attention was lying and you are trying to spread it around. I wonder what organization would want to do that?
For the last 10yrs I have invested the monies that I refused to keep giving the teamsters after the '97 strike. You are correct. It does add up to a nice chunk of change, but sadly not enough to cover the loss that the teamsters "won" for us UPSERS in '97. I was a member of IBT for 11yrs and that is a mistake I will not make again.

Satelite did you withdraw from the teamsters or are you in management?

 

[RockyRogue]

Satelite did you withdraw from the teamsters or are you in management?

Satellite is a driver. He quit the union during the '97 strike. I asked him the same question about being in management once. His answer: "I will never wear that collar." I forget under what thread this was made. -Rocky