Atheism ON TOPIC

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

Not at all.

Whether @trickpony1 believes in life on other planets is not something that religion speaks to.

Doesn’t say there is. Doesn’t say there isn’t.

That being the case, science has not determined that there is or isn’t. And if it did, it wouldn’t prove religion fraudulent.

Clearly your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
He is crediting god with creating earth.
If god doesn't exist why don't other planets have life is his point.

 

[BrownArmy]

Trickpony doesn’t understand the width, depth, and size of the Universe.

There may well be or have been other sentient beings in the Universe, but, like us, they’re isolated in their position.

Imagine the Universe is your kitchen, and the BIG BANG happened right in the middle...

Our galaxy formed from mass that shot out towards the cabinet, another galaxy that would eventually have a planet with sentient beings shot out in the opposite direction...

It’s entirely possible that other planetary civilizations have risen and fallen before we even reached the ‘cabinet’.

The Universe is 13B years wide, at our present rate of technology, we’ll be lucky to land on Mars before we die as a civilization on this planet.

The Universe is too big; it’s possible there is sentient life, in our own time frame, in the Milky Way, but we will never know.

Multiply our own galaxy by 1 Gabillion galaxies, it isn’t hard to see how we haven’t been visited by another space-faring race of aliens.

The Universe is just too big.

Physics is a b

 

[BrownArmy]

If you had even an elementary understanding of the Bible you would know of the fallen angel that is the antithesis of the God that you don't believe in.

This is what bums atheists out.

Your assumption is that the Bible is correct.

It’s just a book, guy.

There are other books with equally unverifiable premises.

If a Zoroastrian came up to you and said, look, it’s in my book and I believe it because it’s in my book, you would rightfully be skeptical.

Tommy says that the Bible proves Science, and Science proves the Bible.

Seems to me he doesn’t know either one...

 

[El Correcto]

Checkmate you commie scum.

 

[rod]

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Checkmate you commie scum.

 

[El Correcto]

God you’re old.

 

[rod]

God you’re old.

older than dirt

 

[El Correcto]

If what you say is true, and there is no God, then why aren't there many, many, many planets in the universe just like us?

There isn't.

I'll wait for your answer...

They’ve actually found a bunch of planets orbiting in the Goldilocks zone(Circumstellar habitable zone - Wikipedia), life requires more than that of course but we only started recognizing and observing exoplanets like 30 years ago.

 

[rod]

I'm not so sure there is even any intelligent life on this planet.

 

[BrownFlush]

How do you know there aren't other planets with life out there?
You don't.

If your Imaginary Sky Person is so powerful why do people die?
Why do priests rape children?
Why do bad things happen?

WARNING..It's long but you're not gonna answer such questions with a two or three line smartass answer.

The life on the other planets and the other questions you have spread all over this place, I would like to answer but not enough time tonight..The other 3 questions are really the same so maybe this will help..
God gave man freedom to choose (Gen. 2; Josh. 24:15). Much of the Bible is taken up in trying to motivate and persuade men to make right choices. If he intervened every time someone made a wrong choice, that would cancel man's freedom to choose. Freedom involves being able to make wrong choices as well as right ones. Man is free to act hatefully and foolishly, as well as lovingly and wisely. If God intervened every time one made a wrong choice, what we know as laws of nature would not really be laws at all. In fact, God would have to intervene in everyone's life, virtually non-stop. And that is not at all how He works today.
If all choices, both good and bad, produced exactly the same effect, how would we ever learn to choose the good and reject the bad? Finite beings with personal will power must be allowed to suffer consequences of their wrong choices if they are to learn that good is to be valued over bad.
Your argument is that, if God is a loving God, he wouldn't let bad things happen to people, especially good people. Take note that this argument does not prove any-thing about whether there is a supreme being. It only objects to his nature (or their misperception of it). All other arguments for a supreme being still stand.

If there is no supreme being, where did you get the concept of a standard of good and evil, of loving and unloving?

The point in all this is that God cannot do two things that are mutually exclusive. Such is not in the realm of possibility. This is the case with an all powerful, loving God and a man who has free will. To give man free will, God chose to limit his power to intervene when man makes a wrong choice. If God intervened on every such occasion man would be no more than a robot or a computer, neither of which can make conscious choices. I have never met anyone who wished we did not have freedom to choose, for we would then be inanimate objects.
It is true that God made the world and set in order the laws of nature. But he didn't intend that they be misused.
To blame God would be like blaming Henry Ford for all the car wrecks or the Wright brothers for all the plane crashes. Several wrong choices are made and the car wrecks or the plane crashes.
There is no reason to blame God. Most of what happens in the world is not God's will. He allows it only because he gave freedom to choose. Because of this freedom he allows both good consequences and bad.
Some suffering comes as a result of the sin and/or wrong choices of others. We can't argue that we should be allowed freedom of choice but it should be denied everyone else. Because of that, we some-times pay a price so all can have this freedom.
If we reap the good benefits of former generations (inventions, scientific discoveries, cures), can we avoid reaping the evil as well? This is the price we pay for freedom to choose.
Innocent people may be killed by a drunk driver. A baby may be born with AIDS or addicted to drugs because of the wrong choices of its parents.
We live in a world where others have free will too. Life is not always fair. We do not live in a perfect world yet, but a time is coming when God is going to set things right and balance the scales of justice (Acts 17:30, 31).
That is the only way it can be in a world where man has this freedom.

 

[BrownArmy]

The life on the other planets and the other questions you have spread all over this place, I would like to answer but not enough time tonight..The other 3 questions are really the same so maybe this will help..
God gave man freedom to choose (Gen. 2; Josh. 24:15). Much of the Bible is taken up in trying to motivate and persuade men to make right choices. If he intervened every time someone made a wrong choice, that would cancel man's freedom to choose. Freedom involves being able to make wrong choices as well as right ones. Man is free to act hatefully and foolishly, as well as lovingly and wisely. If God intervened every time one made a wrong choice, what we know as laws of nature would not really be laws at all. In fact, God would have to intervene in everyone's life, virtually non-stop. And that is not at all how He works today.
If all choices, both good and bad, produced exactly the same effect, how would we ever learn to choose the good and reject the bad? Finite beings with personal will power must be allowed to suffer consequences of their wrong choices if they are to learn that good is to be valued over bad.
Your argument is that, if God is a loving God, he wouldn't let bad things happen to people, especially good people. Take note that this argument does not prove any-thing about whether there is a supreme being. It only objects to his nature (or their misperception of it). All other arguments for a supreme being still stand.

If there is no supreme being, where did you get the concept of a standard of good and evil, of loving and unloving?

The point in all this is that God cannot do two things that are mutually exclusive. Such is not in the realm of possibility. This is the case with an all powerful, loving God and a man who has free will. To give man free will, God chose to limit his power to intervene when man makes a wrong choice. If God intervened on every such occasion man would be no more than a robot or a computer, neither of which can make conscious choices. I have never met anyone who wished we did not have freedom to choose, for we would then be inanimate objects.
It is true that God made the world and set in order the laws of nature. But he didn't intend that they be misused.
To blame God would be like blaming Henry Ford for all the car wrecks or the Wright brothers for all the plane crashes. Several wrong choices are made and the car wrecks or the plane crashes.
There is no reason to blame God. Most of what happens in the world is not God's will. He allows it only because he gave freedom to choose. Because of this freedom he allows both good consequences and bad.
Some suffering comes as a result of the sin and/or wrong choices of others. We can't argue that we should be allowed freedom of choice but it should be denied everyone else. Because of that, we some-times pay a price so all can have this freedom.
If we reap the good benefits of former generations (inventions, scientific discoveries, cures), can we avoid reaping the evil as well? This is the price we pay for freedom to choose.
Innocent people may be killed by a drunk driver. A baby may be born with AIDS or addicted to drugs because of the wrong choices of its parents.
We live in a world where others have free will too. Life is not always fair. We do not live in a perfect world yet, but a time is coming when God is going to set things right and balance the scales of justice (Acts 17:30, 31).
That is the only way it can be in a world where man has this freedom.

TL;DR

 

[El Correcto]

The life on the other planets and the other questions you have spread all over this place, I would like to answer but not enough time tonight..The other 3 questions are really the same so maybe this will help..
God gave man freedom to choose (Gen. 2; Josh. 24:15). Much of the Bible is taken up in trying to motivate and persuade men to make right choices. If he intervened every time someone made a wrong choice, that would cancel man's freedom to choose. Freedom involves being able to make wrong choices as well as right ones. Man is free to act hatefully and foolishly, as well as lovingly and wisely. If God intervened every time one made a wrong choice, what we know as laws of nature would not really be laws at all. In fact, God would have to intervene in everyone's life, virtually non-stop. And that is not at all how He works today.
If all choices, both good and bad, produced exactly the same effect, how would we ever learn to choose the good and reject the bad? Finite beings with personal will power must be allowed to suffer consequences of their wrong choices if they are to learn that good is to be valued over bad.
Your argument is that, if God is a loving God, he wouldn't let bad things happen to people, especially good people. Take note that this argument does not prove any-thing about whether there is a supreme being. It only objects to his nature (or their misperception of it). All other arguments for a supreme being still stand.

If there is no supreme being, where did you get the concept of a standard of good and evil, of loving and unloving?

The point in all this is that God cannot do two things that are mutually exclusive. Such is not in the realm of possibility. This is the case with an all powerful, loving God and a man who has free will. To give man free will, God chose to limit his power to intervene when man makes a wrong choice. If God intervened on every such occasion man would be no more than a robot or a computer, neither of which can make conscious choices. I have never met anyone who wished we did not have freedom to choose, for we would then be inanimate objects.
It is true that God made the world and set in order the laws of nature. But he didn't intend that they be misused.
To blame God would be like blaming Henry Ford for all the car wrecks or the Wright brothers for all the plane crashes. Several wrong choices are made and the car wrecks or the plane crashes.
There is no reason to blame God. Most of what happens in the world is not God's will. He allows it only because he gave freedom to choose. Because of this freedom he allows both good consequences and bad.
Some suffering comes as a result of the sin and/or wrong choices of others. We can't argue that we should be allowed freedom of choice but it should be denied everyone else. Because of that, we some-times pay a price so all can have this freedom.
If we reap the good benefits of former generations (inventions, scientific discoveries, cures), can we avoid reaping the evil as well? This is the price we pay for freedom to choose.
Innocent people may be killed by a drunk driver. A baby may be born with AIDS or addicted to drugs because of the wrong choices of its parents.
We live in a world where others have free will too. Life is not always fair. We do not live in a perfect world yet, but a time is coming when God is going to set things right and balance the scales of justice (Acts 17:30, 31).
That is the only way it can be in a world where man has this freedom.

God probably regrets that decision every time it reads one of your rants.

 

[El Correcto]

older than dirt

@rod can settle this debate, he was around when the universe started.

 

[El Correcto]

How rough was it @rod back during the singularity?

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

WARNING......everything I posted is invalid and irrelevant.

All the 9000 various gods don't exist.
The bible is a work or fiction.

 

[rod]

@rod can settle this debate, he was around when the universe started.

[Rolling Stones

"I was round when Jesus Christ had his moment of doubt and pain." woo woo

 

[El Correcto]

[Rolling Stones

"I was round when Jesus Christ had his moment of doubt and pain."

I forgot how senile you’ve become in your old age.

 

[rod]

 

[rod]

I forgot how senile you’ve become in your old age.

You're the one who made that stupid old age statement

 

[BrownFlush]

All the 9000 various gods don't exist.
The bible is a work or fiction.

Have at it.
You don't want answers or discussion.
Thought I would try.