Bernie Sanders 2016

dmac1

Well-Known Member
just talking in terms of which age groups vote for bernie.

im guessing the younger the voting age is, the more in favor of socialism they are as well.

the older generation is partly holding america back with their fear


If you are a UPS driver, you drive on 'socialist' roads every day, and probably went to 'socialist' public schools.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
That is a 80% TOP rate, and you should know that. It doesn't mean that anyone working at UPS would EVER pay that much. When you start netting, after all deductions and write-offs, more than $1 million per year, you might have to pay a high tax on the amount over $1 million.

And that is still lower than the previous top rate. And you are either ill informed, or trying to pass misinformation if you think anyone, even millionaires, would ever pay an 80% net rate. After write-offs and deductions, they could still be paying a lower effective federal tax rate than you and I pay.

The best growth in US history came under a 90% top rate, which forced people to re-invest business profit, rather than take it out as personal profit. Those small business owners re-invested in machinery, buildings, and personnel and their net worth rose even if they didn't take it out as profit. Only if they took it as personal profit was the income taxed. The super high rate created a huge incentive that forced the economy to grow. And even then, there are deductions that the wealthy can take that saves them greatly on taxes.

You should also get a clue about the 'free stuff' people get, when you are getting just as much. You have a job only because the gov provides protection for transport industry, from the US Navy keeping the shipping lanes clear for cargo ships, to snow removal on your local highways and streets. You use those 'give-aways' more and make more from those 'give-aways' than any poor person ever makes on food stamps or Medicaid, or a 'free' cell phone that is used, and has no data allowance.

So your big fear of high tax rates is misplaced. You shoud just remain afraid of ISIS, Muslims, ebola, and little brown children crossing the border, which are really just as misplaced.
You are right.

Upsers would be hit around 49% federal tax rate.

I live in California where you tack on another 10% tax rate and the government (fed, state and county property)now takes about 80% of my gross if you count federal income tax, social security, medicare, state income tax, sales tax and my $6000 a year property tax.

Woohoo.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
If you are a UPS driver, you drive on 'socialist' roads every day, and probably went to 'socialist' public schools.
Road are not a result of socialism.

Government only has a few functions.

National Defense.

Law enforcement.

Parks, roads, courts, government and libraries.

Pretty much everything else is socialism.
 

rickyb

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Well, here is one.

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/22/10814798/bernie-sanders-tax-rates

Shows a tax rate above 49% for those making about $75k a year.

Shows a tax rate around 77% for multi-millionaires.

Good ol' Bernie.

Everyone who works, or makes money gets a tax increase.

Somebody (workers) has to pay for that free stuff.

are you familiar with the author dylan mathews? does he care about the truth? or does he manipulate?

or did you just pick this article because it just confirms what you already thought?

and if i increase your taxes $500 per year, but save you $2000 per year on inefficient private health insurance, can you really complain?
 

BrownBrokeDown

Well-Known Member
are you familiar with the author dylan mathews? does he care about the truth? or does he manipulate?

or did you just pick this article because it just confirms what you already thought?

and if i increase your taxes $500 per year, but save you $2000 per year on inefficient private health insurance, can you really complain?
wish i could put winner on this a million times. very few people have free healthcare like UPS. Try having $125 a week held out of your paycheck. $500 a year is a bargain.
 

Sportello

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Well, here is one.

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/22/10814798/bernie-sanders-tax-rates

Shows a tax rate above 49% for those making about $75k a year.

Shows a tax rate around 77% for multi-millionaires.

Good ol' Bernie.

Everyone who works, or makes money gets a tax increase.

Somebody (workers) has to pay for that free stuff.

That looks very reasonable to me, especially considering that is what it would take to pay for EVERYTHING Bernie is asking for. You would no longer have medical premiums, or tuition costs.

The chart also shows a present day tax rate of 40% for those making $75k. I don't know anyonyone making $75k that pays 40%.

Can we now add Vox.com to sources you will accept as legitimate? Is Dylan Matthews your 'expert'? :laugh:
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
That looks very reasonable to me, especially considering that is what it would take to pay for EVERYTHING Bernie is asking for. You would no longer have medical premiums, or tuition costs.

The chart also shows a present day tax rate of 40% for those making $75k. I don't know anyonyone making $75k that pays 40%.

Can we now add Vox.com to sources you will accept as legitimate? Is Dylan Matthews your 'expert'? :laugh:
You are ok with a 40% to 49% tax rate on incomes around $75k?

God help us.
 

Sportello

Well-Known Member
You are ok with a 40% to 49% tax rate on incomes around $75k?

God help us.
Well, your expert chart says that there is a 40% tax rate today. Taxes have not gone up, so I guess you are happy with a 40% tax rate.

You are clear on the metrics that are being used, right? Somehow I think that you aren't a detailed statistics kind of guy, but more of a 'look, shiny...' guy.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Well, your expert chart says that there is a 40% tax rate today. Taxes have not gone up, so I guess you are happy with a 40% tax rate.

You are clear on the metrics that are being used, right? Somehow I think that you aren't a detailed statistics kind of guy, but more of a 'look, shiny...' guy.
The sad part is your ok with having a 40% tax rate on that low of income.

Why bother working?

For as little as a person would have left after busting their butt wouldn't be worth it.
 

Sportello

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The sad part is your ok with having a 40% tax rate on that low of income.

Why bother working?

For as little as a person would have left after busting their butt wouldn't be worth it.
Yet somehow you are still making it.

I would gladly pay 9% more to have free health care and tuition for my grandchildren. On top of that, the rate includes Bernie's entire wish list!

Read your own links, it might help you appear to be brighter than you are. ;)
 

rickyb

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The higher the taxes = less money for people have to spend = less demand for products = less drivers UPS needs.
taxes on whom?

bernie is quite specific.

clue: the groups that are trying to control you are the same ones who speak in the idiotic terms of "taxes going up" or down as if everyone pays the same tax rate.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
taxes on whom?

bernie is quite specific.

clue: the groups that are trying to control you are the same ones who speak in the idiotic terms of "taxes going up" or down as if everyone pays the same tax rate.
Now I know why you are so interested in USA 's policies .
http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/Canada/2016/02/10/22602474.html
OTTAWA -- The National Bank says the country's fading economic prospects could put the federal government on track to run $90 billion in deficits over the Liberals' four-year mandate.

In a report, the bank predicts the public books will sink deeper into the red due to the combination of a weakened economy and Liberal promises of billions in fiscal stimulus.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
Now I know why you are so interested in USA 's policies .
http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/Canada/2016/02/10/22602474.html
OTTAWA -- The National Bank says the country's fading economic prospects could put the federal government on track to run $90 billion in deficits over the Liberals' four-year mandate.

In a report, the bank predicts the public books will sink deeper into the red due to the combination of a weakened economy and Liberal promises of billions in fiscal stimulus.
you think we didnt feel the effects of your financial crisis?

how about your "war of terror" as borat likes to say?
or what about your corporate trade deals?


it connects more than you care to admit.
 

rickyb

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Last time I looked Canada was a separate country , who had it's own trade deals .
you elected your george bush, we elected our george bush, you elected a young "liberal" corporate controlled president, we elected a young "liberal" corporate controlled president

it connects bub
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Don't get me wrong , I love Canada .
Especially on 911 , those friend-15 flying air cover over Boston had nice big red Maple leafs on them .
 
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