BINGO !!! YET MORE EVIDENCE !!!

[bacha29]

was there a world depression at the time or just an american one?

your explanation is too simple and misses many contributing factors . Hoover had only been in about 7 months when the factors that contributed to the stock market crash were kicking in with black tuesday stock market crash.
Smoot hawley Tariff act a year later possibly threw gasoline on the fire . maybe jet fuel

By the time FDR took three years later than smoot-hawley in 1933 its likely the market and economy was at a point that it would have started rebounding regardless of anything FDR did. What FDR did however did nothing to cure the depression until 5 years later when the depression was considered over despite high unemployment that remained until 1941 and the start of WWII.

With a 5 year recovery extending the 4 years of existing depression to 1938 you would have a difficult time explaining how FDR worked any kind of magic. What he did do however was expand the government solution which you could argue may have actually slowed the rate of recovery.
the obama parallel in many ways mirror's the FDR recovery . Government expansion during a time of economic crisis probably slows considerably the natural recovery that would have occured if government had simply sat on thier hands and let it happen naturally or simply removed the mufflers that tend to slow down a recovery.

Clinton fighting a combative congress may have stumbled on the ultimate solution to a productive government. one that fights and gets nothing done is the most effective.

With both the agony of the Depression and Axis power growing by the day we didn't have the time or the convenience to wait for the economy to recover on it's own . Unlike your hero Trump who lacked the courage to tell the American people the truth about the lethality of COVID Roosevelt was not afraid to bring the full power to the American government to bear on the situation.

And by the way, the next time you visit a or walk a public trail chances are it was built by the Civilian Conservation Corps.

 

[bacha29]

You really want to go there? Kennedy and C!into had how many women on the side?

And how women many did Trump run outside his 3 marriages? But that was ok in the professional opinion of many self righteous bible thumpers because Trump is still "growing in Christ".

 

[Box Ox]

And how women many did Trump run outside his 3 marriages? But that was ok in the professional opinion of many self righteous bible thumpers because Trump is still "growing in Christ".

If I were Trump I'd probably ask Karen McDougal for another go if things don't work out with Melania. She seems like a very nice woman to cheat on your wife with.

 

[vantexan]

If I were Trump I'd probably ask Karen McDougal for another go if things don't work out with Melania. She seems like a very nice woman to cheat on your wife with.

As opposed to Bill Clinton actually raping a woman. And don't forget statutory rape out on Fantasy Island.

 

[vantexan]

And how women many did Trump run outside his 3 marriages? But that was ok in the professional opinion of many self righteous bible thumpers because Trump is still "growing in Christ".

You're just disappointed the ploy to make Trump lose in 2016 didn't work.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

As opposed to Bill Clinton actually raping a woman. And don't forget statutory rape out on Fantasy Island.

And then media's cover up of Joe Biden sexually assaulting tara reade.

 

[BrownFlush]

Given that immoral behavior is the only criteria by which you judge presidential legacy's then Trump's performance would outshine them all given that we now know Trump paid for his prostitutes thanks to Stormy Daniels.

Immoral behavior is not the only criteria by which I judge a presidents legacy. I did forget Carter said that he had committed adultery in his mind. lol
Trump's immorality is all I've heard.The left and the media suddenly found some high moral ground when Trump came along.
The Oval Office has never been the place of morality.
Trump has had the greatest policies, foreign and domestic, than any president in my lifetime.

 

[newfie]

With both the agony of the Depression and Axis power growing by the day we didn't have the time or the convenience to wait for the economy to recover on it's own . Unlike your hero Trump who lacked the courage to tell the American people the truth about the lethality of COVID Roosevelt was not afraid to bring the full power to the American government to bear on the situation.

And by the way, the next time you visit a or walk a public trail chances are it was built by the Civilian Conservation Corps.

I dont consider a trail an economic success unless it collects a usage fee.

Roosevelt apparently was afraid since he waited until the japs destroyed most of our naval fleet in japan before joining the war?
the hitler axis declared war on us which drew us into europe

do you think with that brain?

 

[newfie]

Given that immoral behavior is the only criteria by which you judge presidential legacy's then Trump's performance would outshine them all given that we now know Trump paid for his prostitutes thanks to Stormy Daniels.

kennedy and clinton. Morality has never been a democrats trait but often their political tool

 

[bacha29]

I dont consider a trail an economic success unless it collects a usage fee.

Roosevelt apparently was afraid since he waited until the japs destroyed most of our naval fleet in japan before joining the war?
the hitler axis declared war on us which drew us into europe

do you think with that brain?

Being the great historian that you are I'm surprised that you ignored one important political reality of that time....The Neutrality Act.

 

[bacha29]

kennedy and clinton. Morality has never been a democrats trait but often their political tool

LOL! So in your mind's eye Republican party leaders have always set the standard for moral behavior?

 

[newfie]

Being the great historian that you are I'm surprised that you ignored one important political reality of that time....The Neutrality Act.

there are too many bad FDR solutions to cover them all in one post

 

[newfie]

LOL! So in your mind's eye Republican party leaders have always set the standard for moral behavior?

not what i said . you're trying to use a moral argument in reference to politicians. might as well be talking about alley cats.

 

[Fred's Myth]

Given that immoral behavior is the only criteria by which you judge presidential legacy's then Trump's performance would outshine them all given that we now know Trump paid for his prostitutes thanks to Stormy Daniels.

While he was President?

 

[bacha29]

there are too many bad FDR solutions to cover them all in one post

Not my fault that your dissertation overlooked the Neutrality Act. With a unemployment rate of 25% FDR had to act including the creation of the Civilian Conservation Corps. And while we're at it lets look at their numbers:
125,000 miles of roadway built.
89,000 miles of telephone lines erected
13,100 miles of trails created
40 million acres of farmland protected through the construction of erosion and sedimentation controls .
154 million square yards of lake and stream embankment stabilization.
814,000 acres of range revegetation.
800 state parks built.
52,000 acres of public campgrounds built
3 billion trees planted
3,470 fire towers erected.
97,000 miles of fire roads built.

All done by a bunch of kids busting ass for a dollar a day. 30 bucks a month and 25 of it sent back home to their starving families. Then off to World War II they marched . Oh sure, we didn't need to do that. We could have done a Hoover and simply waited for the economy to recover on it's own but after 3 years of Hoover it hadn't come back and the American people by that time had enough of Hoover just as they did last month and made it clear that they had enough of Trump.

 

[BrownFlush]

All done by a bunch of kids busting ass for a dollar a day

Those were the days.... Archie Bunker

 

[El Correcto]

I don’t know. In the short term I think the article is correct. But the mid to long term future is very difficult to predict. Republican voters used to love GWBush, and his war on terrorism, back in the early 2000’s to be a Republican and conservative meant backing the war on terror and the Iraq war. Now everyone thinks GWBush lied us into the Iraq war, no one supports the war in Iraq, very few support the war on terror, and republicans don’t like GWBush and have disappeared him from political discussions. Bush was a two term president. trump isn’t. I think is 5-8 years trump will be disappeared and viewed as a failure by Republican voters that’ll be because they’ll be on to the next disastrous political leader who will hurt the nation again.

You don’t mass murder American citizens on American soil and get to have a happily ever after. Everyone supported that war after 9/11, besides the typical American hating communists, even most of them pretended to support it.

 

[fishtm2001]

You don’t mass murder American citizens on American soil and get to have a happily ever after. Everyone supported that war after 9/11, besides the typical American hating communists, even most of them pretended to support it.

Yeah, killing far more civilians in Afghanistan( not to mention Iraq) than we lost on 9/11 seemed really well thought out.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

I dont consider a trail an economic success unless it collects a usage fee.

Roosevelt apparently was afraid since he waited until the japs destroyed most of our naval fleet in japan before joining the war?
the hitler axis declared war on us which drew us into europe

do you think with that brain?

Not only did he wait, he knew Pearl Harbor was going to happen, and that letting it happen was the only way to get support for going to war.

But Trump downplayed a virus that has a fatality rate on par with most other viruses we don't freak out about so as not to cause panic and he's the liar? Forced Narrative Media lies about everything constantly, especially things Trump says and does, and there's no accountability.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

Roosevelt apparently was afraid since he waited until the japs destroyed most of our naval fleet in japan before joining the war?

Being the great historian that you are I'm surprised that you ignored one important political reality of that time....The Neutrality Act.

FDR supported the neutrality acts. Were you trying to make his point for him or are you just uninformed?