Gabba
It's a vicious cycle
that's exactly it. security camera footage is not "data". if it was, well everything would be "data" and what could possibly be the basis of a discharge that wasn't "data".
Camera Images Used For Evidence
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542thruNthru
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"No driver shall be discharged based solely upon information received from GPS, telematics, or any successor system that similarly tracks or surveils a driver’s movements unless he/she engages in dishonesty (defined for the purposes of this paragraph as any intentional act or omission by an employee where he/she intends to defraud the Company). A driver’s failure to accurately recall what is reflected by the technology shall not by itself be considered dishonesty. The Company must confirm by direct observation or other corroborating evidence any other violations warranting discharge. The degree of discipline dealing with off-area offenses shall not be changed because of the use of the above-mentioned systems."
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Gabba
It's a vicious cycle
yea. 100% it's hard to see how you think i'm wrong. video footage from a security camera falls into one of those two bolded categories. it's either " other corroborating evidence" or it's a " successor system that similarly tracks or surveils a driver’s movements". and I contend that video footage from security camera is not a successor to GPS or telematics, nor does it track the driver similarly to GPS or telematics. and I'm very confident that lawyers for the union would agree with me.
And I would strenuously advise you and everyone else to disabuse yourself of the idea that video footage from a security camera is categorically inadmissible evidence in a discharge action.
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542thruNthru
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Well if you ask Wilberforce a camera is not a employee so its inadmissible as evidence.
542thruNthru
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I age that a camera is evidence that can be used against. Especially if it's not UPS equipment. My only point was that the language is about discharge not discipline.
Gabba
It's a vicious cycle
oh, ok. well poo, but that actually is just worse for us than what I was saying, because by that language it only prohibits it in the case of discharge. the language primarily gives a negative right rather than a positive right. and it doesn't prohibit it in the case of other discipline. though i would contend that any discipline based on telematics alone is legitimately disputable and a valid basis for a grievance that would likely be sustained and then overturn such discipline. are there any stewards here that have experience with this scenario?
Red Devil
The Power of Connected
Why would you do that
542thruNthru
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For a laugh?
NAHimGOOD
Nothing to see here.... Move along.
He can try that excuse in any court room...
The judge will probably just replay the offense on loop until it sinks in that it's acceptable.
542thruNthru
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UPS Driver Fired After Racist Rant Caught On Milwaukee Doorbell Camera
Editor's note: This story contains explicit and offensive language.A UPS driver’s racist remarks that were caught on video during a delivery in Milwaukee…
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Wonder if he got his job back because the camera is not a employee of UPS
NAHimGOOD
Nothing to see here.... Move along.
All kinds of extra would come with keeping him.UPS Driver Fired After Racist Rant Caught On Milwaukee Doorbell Camera
Editor's note: This story contains explicit and offensive language.A UPS driver’s racist remarks that were caught on video during a delivery in Milwaukee…
Wonder if he got his job back because the camera is not a employee of UPS
Good riddance
Trucker Clock
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My point also. I corrected his recollection of the Article saying cannot be disciplined.
Yes, you can be disciplined.
quad decade guy
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Interesting discussion.
Everyone of the folks fired here is for stealing(dishonesty). There are the odd sexual harassment deals/violence.
So, all the firings are on IVIS/DIAD/GPS/camera(whatever). MOF all of our load/unload doors have cameras mounted right on the ventilation fans pointed at the trailer entrance. They're right there.
Point is....you really can't get fired unless you have a big accident. I've seen a few of those and they stick. Covering up an accident is dishonesty.
We've been over stealing time....
Electronics are used all the time to fire people.
Everyone of the folks fired here is for stealing(dishonesty). There are the odd sexual harassment deals/violence.
So, all the firings are on IVIS/DIAD/GPS/camera(whatever). MOF all of our load/unload doors have cameras mounted right on the ventilation fans pointed at the trailer entrance. They're right there.
Point is....you really can't get fired unless you have a big accident. I've seen a few of those and they stick. Covering up an accident is dishonesty.
We've been over stealing time....
Electronics are used all the time to fire people.
Steamer
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Funny how management can be dishonest daily for a multitude of things. But drivers can't even slide for a minor tire track line on the edge of a driveway in the grass with tree limbs hanging down on the opposite side. Just saying.
And no it wasn't me. I report every minor nothing. I have even sent small tree limbs being clipped off in. Some like to call it selective pruning.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
After reading this story, all I can say is that it seems like a typical low life response.UPS Driver Fired After Racist Rant Caught On Milwaukee Doorbell Camera
Editor's note: This story contains explicit and offensive language.A UPS driver’s racist remarks that were caught on video during a delivery in Milwaukee…
Wonder if he got his job back because the camera is not a employee of UPS
"My feelings were hurt and I want money scam "
Forward Latino are shakedown artists.
bottomups
Bad Moon Risen'
He did not. Working for a different delivery company now.UPS Driver Fired After Racist Rant Caught On Milwaukee Doorbell Camera
Editor's note: This story contains explicit and offensive language.A UPS driver’s racist remarks that were caught on video during a delivery in Milwaukee…
Wonder if he got his job back because the camera is not a employee of UPS
nWo
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Interesting. I would have guessed he got his job back eventually.
542thruNthru
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Thanks for the update. I didn't think he would. My post was more a jab at wilberforce15 because he said anyone's statement orthat's not an employee
