Get ready for a Trouncing

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
You must not have been paying attention to the fact that the Iranian arms embargo ended two days ago which means that they can now buy whatever they want from whomever they want and since Trump pulled out of the deal there ain't a damn thing he can do about it.
They were doing whatever they wanted when Hussein Obama was president. Because he was a little bitch. Carry on.
 

newfie

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You are skipping past the question.....What did Trump's kissing up to a third world dictator and one of the most brutal gain for the U.S strategic international interests.?

peace and legacy. With his middle east peace deal, being, the first president to step on NK soil Trumps legacy will be the great peace maker. They will speak of trump in the same breath as Ghandi.
 

PT Car Washer

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peace and legacy. With his middle east peace deal, being, the first president to step on NK soil Trumps legacy will be the great peace maker. They will speak of trump in the same breath as Ghandi.
trumps legacy will be how he turned his back on our loyal allies and cut and ran against our enemies. Appeasement never guarantees peace.
 

newfie

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trumps legacy will be how he turned his back on our loyal allies and cut and ran against our enemies. Appeasement never guarantees peace.
which allies?
Israel who obama turned his back on and trump supported strongly.
the arab allies who have signed peace deals and credit trump for these historic deals?
perhaps you meant south korea, japan , mexico or canade who he renegotiated trade deals with?
perhaps you meant our Nato allies who he held accountable for not living up to their agreed to committments under previous presidents.

dude are you totally blind to this president tremendously successful foreign policy wins?
 

bacha29

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I was stationed in Grand Forks during the 1973 Arab ass kicking, we were on red alert, probably the closest we been to nuclear war since the Cuba crisis.

Israel is very, very patient they will strike when ready and will not miss.
As you no doubt remember things were not going good for Israel in the early days of the war. I know a guy who was at a USAF base in believe in Maine at that time who participated in the load of nuclear bombs on B52's when the feces was just about ready to hit the fan.
The message Israel came away with was very clear Be careful about who you tangle with or the big bear from up north might decide to get in the fray.

And now tensions between India and China are ratcheting up. Watch out for that one.
 

PT Car Washer

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which allies?
Israel who obama turned his back on and trump supported strongly.
the arab allies who have signed peace deals and credit trump for these historic deals?
perhaps you meant south korea, japan , mexico or canade who he renegotiated trade deals with?
perhaps you meant our Nato allies who he held accountable for not living up to their agreed to committments under previous presidents.

dude are you totally blind to this president tremendously successful foreign policy wins?
Yeah the world is just perfect now. The trump virus has diverted everyone's attention away from the wars that are still raging in the Middle East and elsewhere. Nothing has changed and just as soon as Joe Biden solves the pandemic problem he will have a lot of fence mending to do with our allies and draw a line with our enemies.
 

bacha29

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which allies?
Israel who obama turned his back on and trump supported strongly.
the arab allies who have signed peace deals and credit trump for these historic deals?
perhaps you meant south korea, japan , mexico or canade who he renegotiated trade deals with?
perhaps you meant our Nato allies who he held accountable for not living up to their agreed to committments under previous presidents.

dude are you totally blind to this president tremendously successful foreign policy wins?
But it came at the expense of further American isolation. Marcon and our once European allies are talking about breaking off from NATO and form their own independent armed forces which is music to Putin's ears.

And don't forget, Israel is not the big deal maker in the region. It's Saudi Arabia and Iran.
 

PT Car Washer

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As you no doubt remember things were not going good for Israel in the early days of the war. I know a guy who was at a USAF base in believe in Maine at that time who participated in the load of nuclear bombs on B52's when the feces was just about ready to hit the fan.
The message Israel came away with was very clear Be careful about who you tangle with or the big bear from up north might decide to get in the fray.

And now tensions between India and China are ratcheting up. Watch out for that one.
Both China And India are reginal super powers and China always has to watch it's back with Russia being a neighbor. The Chinese Dragoon lives in a tough neighborhood while the American Eagle has friends both to the north and to the south and a couple of big oceans on the flanks.
 

PT Car Washer

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But it came at the expense of further American isolation. Marcon and our once European allies are talking about breaking off from NATO and form their own independent armed forces which is music to Putin's ears.

And don't forget, Israel is not the big deal maker in the region. It's Saudi Arabia and Iran.
Don't forget Turkey would like to reinvent the Ottoman Empire. They also are a reginal power. And a member of NATO.
 

newfie

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But it came at the expense of further American isolation. Marcon and our once European allies are talking about breaking off from NATO and form their own independent armed forces which is music to Putin's ears.

And don't forget, Israel is not the big deal maker in the region. It's Saudi Arabia and Iran.
isolation from whom?
Mexico is actually working to help us seal our border. though a left wing leader they have been a big help
Europe is now paying more of their fair share to defense which makes the world safer
the middle east loves us
Israel loves us
japan loves us
south korea loves us
poland loves us
the baltic states love us
the ukraine now loves us since we send them defense weapons and not pillows and blankets like Obama did.
the Sudan is now paying us reparations for their past crimes. hugh foreign policy win!
we're pulling out of Iraq,
we're pulling out of syria
we're pulling out of afghanistan

do you guys ever educate yourselves?

you lefties have to stop watching CNN for your talking points
 

bacha29

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isolation from whom?
Mexico is actually working to help us seal our border. though a left wing leader they have been a big help
Europe is now paying more of their fair share to defense which makes the world safer
the middle east loves us
Israel loves us
japan loves us
south korea loves us
poland loves us
the baltic states love us
the ukraine now loves us since we send them defense weapons and not pillows and blankets like Obama did.
the Sudan is now paying us reparations for their past crimes. hugh foreign policy win!
we're pulling out of Iraq,
we're pulling out of syria
we're pulling out of afghanistan

do you guys ever educate yourselves?

you lefties have to stop watching CNN for your talking points
And by pulling out of Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan it has created a power void and guess whose there to fill it ? Those giants of democracy Turkey and Iran. Some great foreign policy achievement that was. And right European allies are paying more for their defense but are spending on their own independently controlled armed forces feces canning a coordinated NATO response instead leaving a bunch of smaller forces under multiple commands and Moscow is loving it.
 

bacha29

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Its interesting watching you hope for war with NK . 4 years of peace is what he gained.
Big deal. We had 63 years of peace before the orange hero became president and the only thing he cares about in that region is the money he has stashed in Chinese banks.

Look, your orange hero is going to get another term. Notice I said another term . I did not say reelected. He'll just sue his way to another 4 years and he makes no attempt to hide his intentions.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
Big deal. We had 63 years of peace before the orange hero became president and the only thing he cares about in that region is the money he has stashed in Chinese banks.

Look, your orange hero is going to get another term. Notice I said another term . I did not say reelected. He'll just sue his way to another 4 years and he makes no attempt to hide his intentions.
Cool conspiracy theories lady.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
And by pulling out of Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan it has created a power void and guess whose there to fill it ? Those giants of democracy Turkey and Iran. Some great foreign policy achievement that was. And right European allies are paying more for their defense but are spending on their own independently controlled armed forces feces canning a coordinated NATO response instead leaving a bunch of smaller forces under multiple commands and Moscow is loving it.
Well there you have it people.
If you want more wars and Americans involved in foreign conflicts, vote for Joe Biden.
Carry on.
 

vantexan

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Yeah the world is just perfect now. The trump virus has diverted everyone's attention away from the wars that are still raging in the Middle East and elsewhere. Nothing has changed and just as soon as Joe Biden solves the pandemic problem he will have a lot of fence mending to do with our allies and draw a line with our enemies.
Which wars?
 
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