"get that crap off the lawn"...Oklahoma Supreme Court says...

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by The Other Side, Jul 1, 2015.

  1. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Republicans will begin to lose their minds in 3...2....1

    The Oklahoma Supreme court has ordered that the TEN COMMANDMENTS be REMOVED from state buildings and government buildings in Oklahoma.

    In a proper interpretation of separation of church and state, the statues of the ten commandments must be taken down.

    Its about freaking time that religious symbols be taken off government property.



    would be happy to remove all statues for free!

  2. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Dark Prince of Double Standards Staff Member

    Please start with:
    Pancho Villa
    Benito Juarez
    Jesus Gonzales Ortega
    Emiliano Zapata
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  3. rod

    rod retired and happy

    what about Juan Valdez

  4. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    I would much rather see the Confederate flag lowered than worry about the separation of Church and State.
  5. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    I heard Lars Larson, the well-known Conservative idiot explaining the other night that our human rights were given by God, and that our Constitutional rights were given by men inspired by God. Was he there? Why does Space God give out different rights, and who is Lars to decide what Space God was thinking?

    There is no place for the public display of the Ten Commandments (on government property) in a country that professes to have religious freedom. Freedom of religion is also freedom FROM religion, but you Christians are going to try and shove it down our throats anyway.
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  6. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    Where in The Constitution does it say anything about seperation of church and state? Don't bother answering unless you can site ACTUAL language that states that.
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  7. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    Free Exercise clause of the First Amendment. Nowhere (except here) is it written that you are an idiot, in ACTUAL language. You are freaking unbelievable.
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  8. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Dark Prince of Double Standards Staff Member

    Not me.
    Protect us from the National Government and all Governments is paramount.
    Restricting a freedom versus ensuring a freedom is preserved.
  9. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    Funny how there is never an ACTUAL answer to that question...

    And your mom swings a purse for a living.
  10. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Maybe if you took the time to read the writings of the founding fathers you would understand their intentions on religions. Unfortunately, like everyone else who thinks this country was founded on christianity, you are misinformed.

    The separation of church and state is very clear in the constitution..

    Thomas Jefferson, who wrote about a "GIANT WALL OF SEPARATION" between church and state has been recognized over and over throughout history, yet the sources you listen to for your daily brain washing dont bother to tell you about it...

    "Jefferson's metaphor of a wall of separation has been cited repeatedly by the U.S. Supreme Court. In Reynolds v. United States (1879) the Court wrote that Jefferson's comments "may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment." In Everson v. Board of Education (1947), Justice Hugo Black wrote: "In the words of Thomas Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect a wall of separation between church and state."

    The first amendment is a lot more than just a protection of free speech, and that is probably where your understanding of the 1st amendment ends.

    However, note James Madisons take on religion...

    "An August 15, 1789 entry in Madison's papers indicates he intended for the establishment clause to prevent the government imposition of religious beliefs on individuals. The entry says: "Mr. Madison said he apprehended the meaning of the words to be, that Congress should not establish a religion, and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contrary to their conscience."

    The Establishment Clause..

    The Establishment Clause was written by Congressman Fisher Ames in 1789, who derived it from discussions in the First Congress of various drafts that would become the amendments comprising the Bill of Rights. The second half of the Establishment Clause includes the Free Exercise Clause, which attempts to guarantee freedom from governmental interference in both private or public religious affairs of all kinds.

    The Establishment Clause is a limitation placed upon the United States Congress preventing it from passing legislation respecting an establishment of religion. The second half of the Establishment Clause inherently prohibits the government from preferring any one religion over another; which tends to allow for a greater harmony amongst all of the many denominations in the United States

    Christians may want to force their beliefs on everyone else in the country, and taking steps to curb christians from forcing their religious beliefs on society no matter how small they may seem, is the first step in maintaining that GIANT WALL OF SEPARATION between church and state.

    This is where it is supposed to get tricky, where we're supposed to question the supposed moral standards that one group holds over another. There is, and will always be, a need to keep religion out of the political spectrum.

    To say that the 10 Commandments are what our laws are based on is to say that we are based on one deity, one belief.

    The first half of them commandments have nothing to do with societal needs, it's based on a jealous god that needs your worshiping abilities. The last portion of the list (6 on) are moral standards that are not exclusive to one group. That's to say that the Isrealites were led out of Egypt and then given these rules, with god and moses knowing that they were not good people. That's what that is implying.

    When I hear that Christians are under attack in this country, it couldnt be more farther than the truth, however, what has been under attack in this country is the separation between church and state.

    It began in 1955 when "in god we trust" was placed on our currency, or "under god" was placed into the pledge of allegiance. In small measures, christians continue to try and push their religion above all others in this country, and with the help of the republicans, they are attempting to bring down that GIANT WALL and gain an advantage over all other religions.

    I reject this movement. The ten commandments have to come down from every state institution.

    You have to be able to see the country's growing push towards the attempt to diminish the separation of church and state...and that is a Theocracy and not Democracy.

  11. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

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  12. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

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  13. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    Dive deeper into your research (and keep in mind what The Constitution ACTUALLY says) and you'll see that when the founders mention a wall or separation between church and state they actually meant that the state (any government) can't force someone to practice a religion. So, riddle me this..... How does having ANY religous symbol on government property FORCING someone to practice that religion?!?!
  14. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Are you really this dense or are you intentionally trying to find an excuse to be ignorant?

    The constitution clearly states that ONE religion cannot be recognized over ANOTHER. And by placing the ten commandments onto state property, the STATE is allowing ONE religion to dominate all OTHER religions.

    This country isnt guided by ONE DEITY as I wrote to you.. This is confirmed by the founders.

    Why do you think that YOU, have more insight about the US constitution, than the Oklahoma Supreme court?

    IF the court had ruled according to your understanding of the constitution, then you would have a point. But they didnt, and they confirmed my opinion.

    Thanks for playing.

  15. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    And they didnt say "WALL"....

    They said " A GIANT WALL OF SEPARATION"...

    A wall, right wing nuts keep trying to bring down.

  16. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    The Constitution does not say that. It says they can't make a law establishing a religion. So I ask again..... How does placing a religious symbol in front of the courthouse force anyone to practice that religion?!?!?!
  17. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    It doesn't but it does imply endorsement of that religion.
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  18. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Dark Prince of Double Standards Staff Member

    Watch this video from the PBS series "CONSTITUTION USA WITH PETER SAGAL" (45 seconds) on the separation of church and state.
    Also, Peter rides a cool looking motorcycle named "Freedom".

    Jefferson and the Constitution established the wall of separation, their intent was "freedom to practice your religion openly" and "to prevent the government from establishing a state religion like the Church of England".

    All the consequential court rulings are extensions and expansions on the original Constitution.
    I personally don't object to any of these rulings as the Constitution was meant to be a starting point and base and to be a living document that changes as technology and society changes.
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  19. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    Scalia would object...except when he agrees.
    Thomas would...wait to see what Scalia's going to do.
  20. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    Putting The Ten Commandments on the lawn doesn't establish a religion though. And there is no proof that The Constitution was meant to be a living document but that is how liberals are treating it. And it is rather crystal clear on this issue (among others) but liberals refuse to follow or just aren't capable of understanding it due to the fact that their emotions impede their ability to think clearly and logically.